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fishbone Flag London 09 Dec 20 10.16pm Send a Private Message to fishbone Add fishbone as a friend

Originally posted by kevlee

The problem is when people don't challenge racism against black footballers - its not white players who get called "black C---" - its black players like Wilfred do - in that case by a kid if 12 who has learnt that from the people he has grown up with. If the players want to support this kneeling why should we stop them?

Exactly!!!

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 09 Dec 20 10.32pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by fishbone

NO the problem starts when you have dickheads for fans who believe that it ok to abuse someone simply for having a different colour skin or even for being gay then start throwing bananas at them, and think it’s only a laugh. What makes it worse your so called good supporters stand there and think it the norm and say nothing until the players protest and take a stand against it by booing the players because what those supporters are n fact saying is let racism be allowed to fester within football. Why!!? because they are racist themselves!!

Who do you support then and if it’s not Palace how do you know this happens at Selhurst and how has it affected you? I agree with your first sentence but then you go on to say all fans are racist because they don’t directly support this. It’s this sort of attitude that divides people rather than unites them. You just see racism everywhere whether it is there or not.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 10.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No double standard there then.

Not that I can see, but I don't look at things from a perspective that wants to find them.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 Dec 20 10.53pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not that I can see, but I don't look at things from a perspective that wants to find them.

Stupid and disrespectful in one situation laudable in another. Fair enough.

 

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fishbone Flag London 09 Dec 20 10.54pm Send a Private Message to fishbone Add fishbone as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Who do you support then and if it’s not Palace how do you know this happens at Selhurst and how has it affected you? I agree with your first sentence but then you go on to say all fans are racist because they don’t directly support this. It’s this sort of attitude that divides people rather than unites them. You just see racism everywhere whether it is there or not.


What in effect I’m saying is by ignoring the problem you become a part of the problem !

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Dec 20 10.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by fishbone

NO the problem starts when you have dickheads for fans who believe that it ok to abuse someone simply for having a different colour skin or even for being gay then start throwing bananas at them, and think it’s only a laugh. What makes it worse your so called good supporters stand there and think it the norm and say nothing until the players protest and take a stand against it by booing the players because what those supporters are n fact saying is let racism be allowed to fester within football. Why!!? because they are racist themselves!!

Frankly, the level of racism at football was minimal before all this business got stated. The media blow everything out of proportion for the sake of sensationalism.
You will never stop a tiny minority of people from believing that abusing others is acceptable. For me this is a totally different issue to actual institutional racism. There are laws to stop that sort of stuff and frankly, as a White person, I am sick and tired of hearing about racism when I tune in to watch sport. I think most people are.
This is not the 1970s. The vast majority of people do not get excited in a good or bad way when they see a Black person.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 09 Dec 20 11.00pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

So the mobos on bbc.
Shove it as within 60 seconds a black guy sang a song (I think it was a song!) With the word
n..... . The bbc actually had the gaul to explain that there may be offensive language.
Double standards there I think. God forbid you boo at football and if you are white your life is done if you said it.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Dec 20 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by kevlee

The problem is when people don't challenge racism against black footballers - its not white players who get called "black C---" - its black players like Wilfred do - in that case by a kid if 12 who has learnt that from the people he has grown up with. If the players want to support this kneeling why should we stop them?

Calling people nasty names has been common at football forever. In recent years it has got less common than ever before. We were making some progress in educating people about anti social behaviour such as racist insults.

Now this is likely to be totally undone by the resentment created by BLM who still use terms like 'Black power' and insist in raising fists. All this stuff is inflammatory and divisive. There can never a time when race is irrelevant all the time people use their colour like a call to arms.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Dec 20 11.07pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So the mobos on bbc.
Shove it as within 60 seconds a black guy sang a song (I think it was a song!) With the word
n..... . The bbc actually had the gaul to explain that there may be offensive language.
Double standards there I think. God forbid you boo at football and if you are white your life is done if you said it.

The double standards in racial politics is a barrier to improved race relations. That is obvious.

 

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fishbone Flag London 09 Dec 20 11.11pm Send a Private Message to fishbone Add fishbone as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Frankly, the level of racism at football was minimal before all this business got stated. The media blow everything out of proportion for the sake of sensationalism.
You will never stop a tiny minority of people from believing that abusing others is acceptable. For me this is a totally different issue to actual institutional racism. There are laws to stop that sort of stuff and frankly, as a White person, I am sick and tired of hearing about racism when I tune in to watch sport. I think most people are.
This is not the 1970s. The vast majority of people do not get excited in a good or bad way when they see a Black person.

When a 12 year old kid gets arrested for racist abuse online to a premier league footballer that say a lot ! As for racism in football your message oh “frankly” is crap we have and still have racism on the terrace, look at Man Utd and city last season plus Tottenham and Chelsea it was splashed around in the papers and I’m glad it was.yes it will always be there in one form or another! BUT does that mean you’re going to continue to stand there and ignore it as if it not a problem you say you like zaha but none has yet said that they have confronted racist or reported racist to the police! If so then please show me or better still show him that you are against racism or is that too much to ask!!!?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Dec 20 11.25pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by fishbone

When a 12 year old kid gets arrested for racist abuse online to a premier league footballer that say a lot ! As for racism in football your message oh “frankly” is crap we have and still have racism on the terrace, look at Man Utd and city last season plus Tottenham and Chelsea it was splashed around in the papers and I’m glad it was.yes it will always be there in one form or another! BUT does that mean you’re going to continue to stand there and ignore it as if it not a problem you say you like zaha but none has yet said that they have confronted racist or reported racist to the police! If so then please show me or better still show him that you are against racism or is that too much to ask!!!?

Let me ask you, Do you think that taking the knee for the next decade will stop dick heads being dickheads?

You know the answer, so stop this pretence that you think that BLM will make the world a better place.
What might, is stopping getting excited by the words of immature minded fools and focus on what is really important in life.

 

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fishbone Flag London 10 Dec 20 12.28am Send a Private Message to fishbone Add fishbone as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let me ask you, Do you think that taking the knee for the next decade will stop dick heads being dickheads?

You know the answer, so stop this pretence that you think that BLM will make the world a better place.
What might, is stopping getting excited by the words of immature minded fools and focus on what is really important in life.

I didn’t say that BLM would make the world better I’m asking for the fans to stop being bystanders and speak out to those dick heads or be seen to report them so we can drive them out of football! By standing there and keeping your damn mouths shut you are allowing them to grow! Which makes you part of the problem as you make their behaviour acceptable!
Go with that !!!!

 

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