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 Mapletree  Croydon 08 Oct 17 10.09pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You mean you've never heard a young person from a London borough speak in a manufactured accent that they picked up at secondary school to fit in, but makes them sound stupid, or like a rapper? Are you Prince Charles? Or Philip May? Never heard it called a manufactured accent Rudi. But yes, if you work in Croydon you have to hire people with the local patois innit. Just hired a road man from Lewisham. Thing is, the lad took evening classes and got a first class Degree. Oh, and of course not English born.
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Oct 17 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There are plenty of poor attitudes towards British workers.
The whole point is that the first case was deemed illegal and in the second case it was an observation not a statement of intent. And it was based on willingness to work for the money, as I previously stated. Show me a real case
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| Stirlingsays 08 Oct 17 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
The whole point is that the first case was deemed illegal and in the second case it was an observation not a statement of intent. And it was based on willingness to work for the money, as I previously stated. Show me a real case Show you a real case? How is an observation not a reflection of attitude. How bloody stupid do you expect employers to be stating an illegal intent. I'm sorry, but at 1020 at night I'm not going to trawl through the Internet looking for the bleeding obvious because you want to play denial. Both you and I know what happens and for you to take this line is very disappointing. This comes across as sophism.
Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2017 10.21pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There are plenty of poor attitudes towards British workers.
The second one is more about some British workers attitudes.
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Oct 17 10.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Show you a real case? How is an observation not a reflection of attitude. How bloody stupid do you expect employers to be stating an illegal intent. I'm sorry, but at 1020 at night I'm not going to trawl through the Internet looking for the bleeding obvious because you want to play denial. Both you and I know what happens and for you to take this line is very disappointing. This comes across as sophism.
Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2017 10.21pm) Hmm. Think it’s past someone’s bed time. All I can say is I have seen racial, sexual and age prejudice. But never ever against white UK born Brits. It could happen, may well do e.g. in agriculture but I haven’t seen it nor have I seen any properly justified reports of it. Just a few screaming headlines. I read the Employment Tribunal reports each week by the way. I just checked and I can’t find a single case. In your first article the employer was adamant they hire Brits and the agency had misunderstood its instructions. I have no view on the veracity of that but the EHRC took no further action so I guess they did employ Brits. In your second article the quote is ‘I’d love to employ more British workers’, hardly a sign of prejudice against them Edited by Mapletree (08 Oct 2017 10.50pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Oct 17 8.01am |
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The Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) reported that for every 100 non-EU migrants employed 23 UK born workers would have been displaced. The MAC also observed that some employers preferred to employ migrants in low-skilled roles over young British people. A 2015 study conducted by the Bank of England found that migration caused a downward pressure on average wages. The largest effect was observed in the semi/unskilled services sector including hotels, and social care where a 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants was associated with a 2% reduction in pay. Thus immigration reduces the wages of those already in low wage jobs.
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Kermit8  Hevon 09 Oct 17 8.14am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) reported that for every 100 non-EU migrants employed 23 UK born workers would have been displaced. The MAC also observed that some employers preferred to employ migrants in low-skilled roles over young British people. A 2015 study conducted by the Bank of England found that migration caused a downward pressure on average wages. The largest effect was observed in the semi/unskilled services sector including hotels, and social care where a 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants was associated with a 2% reduction in pay. Thus immigration reduces the wages of those already in low wage jobs. Lucky we are leaving the EU then with the inevitable rise in non-EU migration to follow to fill the gaps. Good call Leavers.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Oct 17 8.54am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Lucky we are leaving the EU then with the inevitable rise in non-EU migration to follow to fill the gaps. Good call Leavers. British born youth employment will go up. Good call leavers.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 09 Oct 17 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No I didn't. I said I very rarely hire UK born employees. I don't see why I would have to qualify that, it is interesting how people's prejudice so quickly took effect. Lots of reaction without any thought. For example, is someone not UK born a lesser Brit if they have been here for 40 years? In fact I hire into a shortage occupation. There is no good reason why a shortage has developed, just very bad planning for around 40 years. And by the way, I am particularly strong at hiring young people, many of whom have had difficulties in their earlier life, and giving them a chance. You would expect nothing different from any qualified HR Director, nobody chooses to take the extra complexity of hiring overseas lightly. It takes 9 months for a start if it is non-EU. Edited by Mapletree (08 Oct 2017 9.27pm) Edited by Mapletree (08 Oct 2017 9.28pm) Care to state the industry? Perhaps the contracts are that poor. As a HR director this seems not only at least indirectly racist, but borderline illegal. Personally I would expect a lot more from my HR Director, the whole business function is getting lazy with downsizing, IT developments and in many industries poor UK exam grading. In today's business world, HR has an over blown sense of its self importance, and often the first thing that in my experience needs to be changed when changing under performing corporate culture.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Oct 17 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Care to state the industry? Perhaps the contracts are that poor. As a HR director this seems not only at least indirectly racist, but borderline illegal. Personally I would expect a lot more from my HR Director, the whole business function is getting lazy with downsizing, IT developments and in many industries poor UK exam grading. In today's business world, HR has an over blown sense of its self importance, and often the first thing that in my experience needs to be changed when changing under performing corporate culture. From what he said, it could be an escort agency?
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Oct 17 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
From what he said, it could be an escort agency? Oddly Hedgehog that makes sense based on posts. I feel sorry for the "road man" from Lewisham. Personally I don't have a problem with the best person for the right job but rarely hiring the indigenous population would be statistically "unusual" to say the least. The over-reliance on the ubiquitous HR portal means to be honest monkeys could do hiring, and when downsizing, or going through corporate change never trust a HR manger without reference to a lawyer, AND never get them involved in rewarding key person, talent or loyalty, unless filling in the payroll form.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Oct 17 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) reported that for every 100 non-EU migrants employed 23 UK born workers would have been displaced. The MAC also observed that some employers preferred to employ migrants in low-skilled roles over young British people. A 2015 study conducted by the Bank of England found that migration caused a downward pressure on average wages. The largest effect was observed in the semi/unskilled services sector including hotels, and social care where a 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants was associated with a 2% reduction in pay. Thus immigration reduces the wages of those already in low wage jobs.
Empirical research on the labour market effects of immigration in the UK suggests that immigration has relatively small effects on average wages but more significant effects along the wage distribution, i.e. on low, medium and high paid workers. In addition to expanding labour supply, immigration can also increase the demand for labour. Migrants expand consumer demand for goods and services. In the medium to long run, immigration can be expected to lead to more investment. Both effects result in greater demand for labour and thus increased wages and employment in the economy. In other words, the number of jobs in an economy is not fixed (the “lump of labour fallacy”). Immigration can increase competition for existing jobs but it can also create new jobs. Evidence shows migration to the UK has resulted in augmented growth and productivity. Research by the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) studied the impact of migrants on the employment of UK-born people using data from the Labour Force Survey (LFS) for 1975-2010 (Migration Advisory Committee 2012). The study suggests that, overall, migrants have no impact on UK-born employment. However, the MAC also analysed the specific impacts of EU and non-EU migrants and also distinguished between two sub-periods: 1975-1994 and 1995-2010. It found that non-EU immigration was associated with a reduction in the employment of UK-born workers during 1995-2010. No statistically significant effects were found for EU immigration.
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