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 KAOS  In a tree 02 Apr 19 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
I didn't say that at all. I said he drops players that disobey him. Clearly, you can play as terribly as you want and make as many mistakes as you want so long as you don't go off script.
Lots of talk before about looking at the Bournemouth model but we are currently behind them and could finish top. Roy's biggest mistakes this season were losing to Brighton. If we'd of won both those games then they'd be comfortably 3rd from bottom and we'd be squabbling about why we're not fighting for a top 4 place!
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rollercoaster  Cornwall 02 Apr 19 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
I didn't say that at all. I said he drops players that disobey him. Clearly, you can play as terribly as you want and make as many mistakes as you want so long as you don't go off script. I just don't think the facts bear you out, unless I misunderstand what you mean by the script. PVA has gone missing many times this season and never gets dropped. AWB went missing for Watford's second goal and didn't get dropped. Who do you think got dropped for not doing as he was told? I do agree that Roy likes to play a specific shape and wants players to fit into that (and most of ours do perchance) but that seems to be the case with a lot of managers. Difference for me is that better quality players can adapt to a managers style and I think many of ours are lacking in that respect.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Apr 19 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by KAOS
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There are some Roy shackles the team are carrying. Training is apparently regimented and repetitive, going over positioning and exactly what is expected. That was fine god the Pulis era but now when some creativity and freedom of expression is needed the players are possibly tense and frustrated. Maybe they have all a private W&nk just before kick off to relax a bit. [[/quote] Might try that myself before the next home game ... That’s why the men’s cubicles have such a long queue outside. A powder of the nose and a turbo w@nk.
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| eaglesdare 02 Apr 19 1.03pm |
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I just dont think we fully recovered from loosing cabaye and RLC.....
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Apr 19 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by ItsCPFCforme
While this season might seem a bit 'meh' we nevertheless have the highest points tally we have had after 31 games since promotion (with the exception of Pardew's first season, where we had 39). I am disappointed to a degree, as I think we could be doing better. But to say that we are definitely dreadful under Roy is just nonsense and, while I DO think we should be looking to improve year on year, we really have to be wary of just expecting top half finishes. Rather, we should be happy with such a finish if that makes sense. I think we are probably achieving parity with Roy. I think we wouldn't go down with him in charge but I also don't think we'd break the top 8. The idea that relegation is a certainty if we get rid of Roy now, on the other hand, is laughable. We could put a chimp in charge and stay up currently. Possibly true but Roy does deal with Parish’s shoddy and negligent at times transfer policies, or lack of, quite well. Things like one keeper, one striker, no striker, for however many games. Right now we’re underperforming without those problems but we’ve probably forgotten how Roy copes with the problems. I think we miss Sakho a lot. We did defending v Brighton and did v Huddersfield bringing the ball out and passing to Bissaka unmarked after Dann passed to the opposition 15 yards further up the field. I’ll go further with this and say a small amount of big players or signings hide the inadequate way the club is handled and because they cost so much, therein has been part of the problem.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 02 Apr 19 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
I just don't think the facts bear you out, unless I misunderstand what you mean by the script. PVA has gone missing many times this season and never gets dropped. AWB went missing for Watford's second goal and didn't get dropped. Who do you think got dropped for not doing as he was told? I do agree that Roy likes to play a specific shape and wants players to fit into that (and most of ours do perchance) but that seems to be the case with a lot of managers. Difference for me is that better quality players can adapt to a managers style and I think many of ours are lacking in that respect. You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I completely agree that underperforming players are being picked: they are picked because they stick to his tactics (script) rigidly. To Roy, obedience is more important than performance.
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| rollercoaster Cornwall 02 Apr 19 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I completely agree that underperforming players are being picked: they are picked because they stick to his tactics (script) rigidly. To Roy, obedience is more important than performance. So who has he dropped because they didn't stick to the script?
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| ItsCPFCforme 02 Apr 19 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Possibly true but Roy does deal with Parish’s shoddy and negligent at times transfer policies, or lack of, quite well. Things like one keeper, one striker, no striker, for however many games. Right now we’re underperforming without those problems but we’ve probably forgotten how Roy copes with the problems. I think we miss Sakho a lot. We did defending v Brighton and did v Huddersfield bringing the ball out and passing to Bissaka unmarked after Dann passed to the opposition 15 yards further up the field. I’ll go further with this and say a small amount of big players or signings hide the inadequate way the club is handled and because they cost so much, therein has been part of the problem. I was referring to this season where we find ourselves 8pts clear (almost 9 if you count GD) with 7 games remaining. As in, if Roy went now, we wouldn't go down this season. But to clarify: I think it's worth sticking with Roy, since our board have really made some questionable decisions with managers (before then getting it right after an expensive rebuild/pay off). That sounds like damning with faint praise, but I think a mid-table finish this season and a quarter final in the FA Cup would probably have been taken by most fans in advance. I hope we can progress on that next season, but midtable + cup run remains a solid goal for next season. As for next season, I really think it depends, as you say, whether we can get our transfer policy right. Our squad is decent but we still haven't fully solved our striker problem (Batshuayi is only a loanee after all), we haven't quite adequately replaced RLC and Cabaye (as strong as our midfield can be on a good day) and we are a bit thin in some areas. One place where we seem solid is at the back, with 4 decent CBs when everyone is fit. Even then, we lose AWB we are down to Ward (who is a great servant to the club and a good stand-in but he isn't a long-term solution). The other side is a strange one too, with Schlupp preferred in midfield. We have been unlucky for a number of seasons in that we haven't had a chance to consistently play our best XI for a run of games due to injuries. This year, we only had a strikeforce by the end of January. I think this has had a knock-on effect on Roy knowing his best team (and exposes some transfer failings). If we signed Batshuayi and kept Benteke and Wickham and got them both fully fit, that would be a half-decent strikeforce, with big signings balanced with depth. Those, however, are some big ifs. I have faith in Meyer but he hasn't QUITE hacked it yet... perhaps some work in pre-season to see how we can balance his lack of physicality with his undeniable talent.
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| spartakev2 Anerley 02 Apr 19 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
So who has he dropped because they didn't stick to the script? And if the script is start slowly, sit behind the ball first half, at home, against s**t teams, and try and catch them on the break.....they all seem to be sticking to the script pretty well.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 02 Apr 19 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
And if the script is start slowly, sit behind the ball first half, at home, against s**t teams, and try and catch them on the break.....they all seem to be sticking to the script pretty well. Yes, exactly my point.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Apr 19 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
And if the script is start slowly, sit behind the ball first half, at home, against s**t teams, and try and catch them on the break.....they all seem to be sticking to the script pretty well. That didn't answer the question as to who was dropped for '' not following the script '' Edited by NEILLO (02 Apr 2019 6.35pm)
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| spartakev2 Anerley 02 Apr 19 8.14pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
That didn't answer the question as to who was dropped for '' not following the script '' Edited by NEILLO (02 Apr 2019 6.35pm) No it didn't. ..
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