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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Aug 15 3.20pm | |
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No one should be in any doubt the sheer murderous nature of the 'revolutionary' regime in Cuba. There is much evidence on the net for this regime. Meet the new boss.....He's actually worse for you than the old boss. The Castro revolution was a disaster for most Cubans. WTF has this got to do with calais. A diverson tactic if ever I saw one.
In overmanned, unsafe boats? perghaps we can charge them for this service too...
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Stirlingsays 10 Aug 15 3.30pm | |
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No one should be in any doubt the sheer murderous nature of the 'revolutionary' regime in Cuba. There is much evidence on the net for this regime. Meet the new boss.....He's actually worse for you than the old boss. The Castro revolution was a disaster for most Cubans. WTF has this got to do with calais. A diverson tactic if ever I saw one.
I don't think Nick would last long in Cuba.....I could be wrong though.....Those latin rhythms.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 Aug 15 3.36pm | |
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No one should be in any doubt the sheer murderous nature of the 'revolutionary' regime in Cuba. There is much evidence on the net for this regime. Meet the new boss.....He's actually worse for you than the old boss. The Castro revolution was a disaster for most Cubans. WTF has this got to do with calais. A diverson tactic if ever I saw one.
In overmanned, unsafe boats? perghaps we can charge them for this service too... Never thought of that Nick......A Great idea!
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Aug 15 3.55pm | |
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What Fascism is and isn't A good starting point. Its often a mistake to see National Socialism (Nazism and Communism as fascist).
Therefore, what is the difference in practice between a left wing and right extremist single party state? People get massacred in both. Democracy is purged in both. Individualism and liberty of thought is purged. Power is concentrated to a circle of the elite. The institutions of such a country become the tools of the government to use to suppress opposition. The economy is centrally planned and controlled. Free enterprise is deemed as a parasitic endeavour in both. Edited by matt_himself (10 Aug 2015 10.15am) The ideology and the rhetoric. Cuba, for example, and for whatever view you may personally have of it in terms of freedom, places a very significant emphasis on the provision of its people, as opposed to the nation state (standards of health provision and education in Cuba massively exceed that of most similar third world countries). Cuba, spent most of its existence as part of the Soviet satellite state, and engages in internationalism which isn't typically a fascist trait - Nationalism isn't that much of a tennet in Soviet or Cuban politics. Communism and fascism (and especially National Socialism) have a lot of shared ideology (as fascism originated as a response to the appeal of communism), what tends to differ is the organization of the state and itsbody politic, the political rhetoric and probably most notably how those bodies of state function, rather than its actions. Both Fascism and Socialism place great emphasis on the power of unions as a means of protecting the working class, the difference is that in socialism, those organizations are formed and directed for the working class, where as in fascism they serve the state directly. Whilst it can seem that's the same thing, its worth remembering that in Poland the rise of Solidarity stems from the Unions against the Polish communist state - similarly Union and state factions in both Hungary and Chechslovakia were instrumental in the both famous uprisings. In Zimbabwe, there was the movement of reclaiming land, not for the state, but for the black farmers from private ownership (a disaster). In the way that the term fascism gets used in general life, somewhat ignorantly, it could be applied to both Soviet style communism, Chinese State communism, Spanish Falangism, Pan Arabic Baathism or Argentinian Juntas; but there are very significant differences (notably in the internal politics and power structure). Also, traditionally both Communism and Fascism are 'opposed forces'. Similarly one could look a Capitalist Democracies and label them the same, but when you look internally you see a big difference in terms of structure and organization, as well as orientation, whilst obstentially championing many of the same causes and ideals. I think you are lookin at things through your red glasses and your obvious admiration for 'benevolent' Cuba is at odds with the reality of the regimes treatment of the 'people'. The fact is that the 'people's regime' is just a glossy veneer which hides the fact that the tolatarian regime suppressed and murdered at will yet dressed it up as a Workers Paradise to give it credibility with and receive sympathy from those around the World who swallow this. This is just the same glossy veneer the Nazi's sold to elements of the European aristocracy in the 1930's. To me they are two sides of he same coin and no sane person would support or defend either murderous regime, regardless of the rhetorical or ideological spin either was dressed up as.
Not really, I just know more about Cuba than I do about North Korea and Zimbarbwe, so I used it to illustrate the difference between Communism and Fascism, rather than a defense of the Cuba regime
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leggedstruggle Croydon 10 Aug 15 3.56pm | |
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You would think all these illegal immigrants would be trying to get into Socialist paradises like Cuba rather than joining the oppressed, poverty stricken masses in the evil Capitalist UK wouldn't you. Yet the only boat people around Cuba are those fleeing the place... Edited by leggedstruggle (10 Aug 2015 3.57pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Aug 15 4.03pm | |
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The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Aug 15 4.14pm | |
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No one should be in any doubt the sheer murderous nature of the 'revolutionary' regime in Cuba. There is much evidence on the net for this regime. Meet the new boss.....He's actually worse for you than the old boss. The Castro revolution was a disaster for most Cubans. I think whether the revolution was better or worse for you, depends on where about you were in Cuban society. Personally I'd rather have access to health care and education for all. That's not to excuse the regime, but if we're going to look at South American regimes in terms of their human rights abuses, then its largely a history of state sponsored murder regimes. Its worth remembering that prior to the revolution the American Mafia was one of the big players in Cuba, illiteracy and poverty was the norm for most of those who joined the revolution. I think I'd rather grow up in Cuba than the slums of Brazil or Honduras.
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You would think all these illegal immigrants would be trying to get into Socialist paradises like Cuba rather than joining the oppressed, poverty stricken masses in the evil Capitalist UK wouldn't you. Yet the only boat people around Cuba are those fleeing the place... Edited by leggedstruggle (10 Aug 2015 3.57pm) Bit out of the way if you're Chinese, Middle Eastern or African, what with the limited shipping routes for traffickers to use. You'd love their immigration policy, its very much a Cuba for the Cubans approach. Its almost impossible to gain citizenship as a migrant to Cuba, unless its by marriage.
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leggedstruggle Croydon 10 Aug 15 4.25pm | |
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You would think all these illegal immigrants would be trying to get into Socialist paradises like Cuba rather than joining the oppressed, poverty stricken masses in the evil Capitalist UK wouldn't you. Yet the only boat people around Cuba are those fleeing the place... Edited by leggedstruggle (10 Aug 2015 3.57pm) Bit out of the way if you're Chinese, Middle Eastern or African, what with the limited shipping routes for traffickers to use. You'd love their immigration policy, its very much a Cuba for the Cubans approach. Its almost impossible to gain citizenship as a migrant to Cuba, unless its by marriage. Edited by jamiemartin721 (10 Aug 2015 4.20pm) Bit of of the way? Yeah, like the UK is first country that all the immigrants come to? So there are thousands of the USA oppressed masses who would like to go to live and Cuba (perhaps to get their obesity problems dealt with by the Cuban health service), but they are stopped because they don't have relatives there? Do they still try to gain illegal entry? Do the Peoples' Army of Cuba have to fend off swarms of potential immigrants?
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You would think all these illegal immigrants would be trying to get into Socialist paradises like Cuba rather than joining the oppressed, poverty stricken masses in the evil Capitalist UK wouldn't you. Yet the only boat people around Cuba are those fleeing the place... Edited by leggedstruggle (10 Aug 2015 3.57pm) Bit out of the way if you're Chinese, Middle Eastern or African, what with the limited shipping routes for traffickers to use. You'd love their immigration policy, its very much a Cuba for the Cubans approach. Its almost impossible to gain citizenship as a migrant to Cuba, unless its by marriage. Edited by jamiemartin721 (10 Aug 2015 4.20pm) Bit of of the way? Yeah, like the UK is first country that all the immigrants come to? So there are thousands of the USA oppressed masses who would like to go to live and Cuba (perhaps to get their obesity problems dealt with by the Cuban health service), but they are stopped because they don't have relatives there? Do they still try to gain illegal entry? Do the Peoples' Army of Cuba have to fend off swarms of potential immigrants? Not since the Bay of Pigs. As for those oppressed Americans, they probably couldn't actually afford to get out of s**tsville Louisiana. Traffickers usually charge money or 'indentured service' to get people into a country, so they're typically bias towards countries with strong economic basis (ie higher wages).
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leggedstruggle Croydon 10 Aug 15 4.58pm | |
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You would think all these illegal immigrants would be trying to get into Socialist paradises like Cuba rather than joining the oppressed, poverty stricken masses in the evil Capitalist UK wouldn't you. Yet the only boat people around Cuba are those fleeing the place... Edited by leggedstruggle (10 Aug 2015 3.57pm) Bit out of the way if you're Chinese, Middle Eastern or African, what with the limited shipping routes for traffickers to use. You'd love their immigration policy, its very much a Cuba for the Cubans approach. Its almost impossible to gain citizenship as a migrant to Cuba, unless its by marriage. Edited by jamiemartin721 (10 Aug 2015 4.20pm) Bit of of the way? Yeah, like the UK is first country that all the immigrants come to? So there are thousands of the USA oppressed masses who would like to go to live and Cuba (perhaps to get their obesity problems dealt with by the Cuban health service), but they are stopped because they don't have relatives there? Do they still try to gain illegal entry? Do the Peoples' Army of Cuba have to fend off swarms of potential immigrants? Not since the Bay of Pigs. As for those oppressed Americans, they probably couldn't actually afford to get out of s**tsville Louisiana. Traffickers usually charge money or 'indentured service' to get people into a country, so they're typically bias towards countries with strong economic basis (ie higher wages). LOL, so it's not that they actually don't want to go to Cuba then. There are all these people in Louisiana longing to go there.
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matt_himself Matataland 10 Aug 15 5.21pm | |
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The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.
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