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Stirlingsays 18 May 14 1.06pm
Quote luckybuck at 18 May 2014 1.00pm Quote Stirlingsays You appear to be suggesting that the normal voting pattern means that the people who vote Ukip at the EU elections don't feel strongly anti EU? Not at all. I'm saying that they fail to stick to their guns and that the conservative part will fail to stick to its promises. Quote Everyone pretty much knows this so typing about seems a bit rudimentary. Okay, Mr angry. Edited by luckybuck (18 May 2014 1.01pm) Ok, Mystic Meg. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 May 14 1.06pm

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You appear to be suggesting that the normal voting pattern means that the people who vote Ukip at the EU elections don't feel strongly anti EU?

Not at all. I'm saying that they fail to stick to their guns and that the conservative part will fail to stick to its promises.

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Everyone pretty much knows this so typing about seems a bit rudimentary.

Okay, Mr angry.

Edited by luckybuck (18 May 2014 1.01pm)

Ok, Mystic Meg.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 May 14 1.07pm
LESS Government not MORE....& that includes GB as well. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 May 14 1.07pm

LESS Government not MORE....& that includes GB as well.

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legaleagle 18 May 14 1.11pm
Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business!
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18 May 14 1.11pm

Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business!

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Stirlingsays 18 May 14 1.37pm
Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 12.09pm Being "anti-EU" has come to encapsulate a code for being disatisfied with life and seeking a convenient "other" to blame it on....Hence, UKIP's mass appeal....as a protest vote. Maybe its the EU's fault our taxi drivers don't wear uniforms as per UKIP's manifesto at the last elections?! Blaming all woes on the EU very neatly incorporates many of the "others" people have sought to blame their/"our" woes on over the past few decades: economic decline post empire, loss of Empire, immigration, multi-culturalism. The EU is very far from perfect (what is?) but, I suspect we need it more than vice versa and if people think leaving would lead to anything other than economic disaster, I fear they are living in dreamland...The figures recently published about how many from Romania and Bulgaria actually chose to come here post 1 January 2014 says it all about the gap between reality and the culture of blaming/fear of the outsider "other" we inhabit. Go to former Yugoslavia, for example, and you get a stark view of the very real benefits to all (including us) of the EU existing. Will be interesting to see re next year's general election, if UKIP can sustain their place as a receptacle of the general protest vote...ie all we need for everything in the UK to be hunky dory is no more immigrants and get out of the EU. This post incorporates not only a caricature of your perception of a Ukip voter and their motivations but for good measure you produce the rather obvious statement that poor countries that get a standard of living boost tend to like the EU. Errr....Wow, how surprising. There are only three net contributors to the EU of which we are one....I'm not bleeding surprised poor countries are chuffed. Your caricature of a Ukip voter is simplistic and certainly doesn't speak for me. I most certainly don't blame the EU for everything but they do share blame for the financial crises (creation of a system that couldn't live with a financial shock).....But on that score they are just typical of politicians everywhere. The overreach and mistakes the EU makes are really another thread so I won't list them here. Officially Ukip spoke of projected figures that were possible and still are...The legal agreement Labour signed means any EU citizen can live here (I oppose this...There should be a cap)..The fact that you have gone with....once again with caricaturing what they meant actually shows your willingness to replace reality with half truths. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 12.09pm

Being "anti-EU" has come to encapsulate a code for being disatisfied with life and seeking a convenient "other" to blame it on....Hence, UKIP's mass appeal....as a protest vote.

Maybe its the EU's fault our taxi drivers don't wear uniforms as per UKIP's manifesto at the last elections?!

Blaming all woes on the EU very neatly incorporates many of the "others" people have sought to blame their/"our" woes on over the past few decades: economic decline post empire, loss of Empire, immigration, multi-culturalism.

The EU is very far from perfect (what is?) but, I suspect we need it more than vice versa and if people think leaving would lead to anything other than economic disaster, I fear they are living in dreamland...The figures recently published about how many from Romania and Bulgaria actually chose to come here post 1 January 2014 says it all about the gap between reality and the culture of blaming/fear of the outsider "other" we inhabit.

Go to former Yugoslavia, for example, and you get a stark view of the very real benefits to all (including us) of the EU existing.

Will be interesting to see re next year's general election, if UKIP can sustain their place as a receptacle of the general protest vote...ie all we need for everything in the UK to be hunky dory is no more immigrants and get out of the EU.

This post incorporates not only a caricature of your perception of a Ukip voter and their motivations but for good measure you produce the rather obvious statement that poor countries that get a standard of living boost tend to like the EU.

Errr....Wow, how surprising.

There are only three net contributors to the EU of which we are one....I'm not bleeding surprised poor countries are chuffed.

Your caricature of a Ukip voter is simplistic and certainly doesn't speak for me. I most certainly don't blame the EU for everything but they do share blame for the financial crises (creation of a system that couldn't live with a financial shock).....But on that score they are just typical of politicians everywhere.

The overreach and mistakes the EU makes are really another thread so I won't list them here.

Officially Ukip spoke of projected figures that were possible and still are...The legal agreement Labour signed means any EU citizen can live here (I oppose this...There should be a cap)..The fact that you have gone with....once again with caricaturing what they meant actually shows your willingness to replace reality with half truths.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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kangel 18 May 14 2.08pm
Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business! So you prefer a government 'that knows best'; you think that countries cannot flourish and prosper unless people conduct their lives in the manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people - predominately men?
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18 May 14 2.08pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm

So you prefer a government 'that knows best'; you think that countries cannot flourish and prosper unless people conduct their lives in the manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people - predominately men?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 May 14 2.09pm
Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business! So you prefer a government 'that knows best'; you think that countries cannot flourish and prosper unless people conduct their lives in the manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people - predominately men? Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm)
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Shizzlehurst 18 May 14 2.09pm

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Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm

Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies.

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kangel 18 May 14 2.15pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business! So you prefer a government 'that knows best'; you think that countries cannot flourish and prosper unless people conduct their lives in the manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people - predominately men? Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm) I'm all for successful British businesses, we should do all we can to allow them to flourish, ie, minimum of government as possible.
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18 May 14 2.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm

Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm

Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies.

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm)

I'm all for successful British businesses, we should do all we can to allow them to flourish, ie, minimum of government as possible.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 May 14 2.20pm
Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business! Your going to have to do better than that? I'm talking about an overblown behemoth which needs trimming. That includes the UK. Do we really need 650 odd MPs.? Pro USA & Israel
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Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm

Your going to have to do better than that? I'm talking about an overblown behemoth which needs trimming. That includes the UK. Do we really need 650 odd MPs.?

Pro USA & Israel

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 18 May 14 2.59pm
Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.15pm Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business! So you prefer a government 'that knows best'; you think that countries cannot flourish and prosper unless people conduct their lives in the manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people - predominately men? Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm) I'm all for successful British businesses, we should do all we can to allow them to flourish, ie, minimum of government as possible. like letting them invest where they want, sell where they want and employ who they want? I agree. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 18 May 14 2.59pm

Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm

Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm

Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies.

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm)

I'm all for successful British businesses, we should do all we can to allow them to flourish, ie, minimum of government as possible.

like letting them invest where they want, sell where they want and employ who they want? I agree.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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kangel 18 May 14 3.22pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 18 May 2014 2.59pm Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.15pm Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business! So you prefer a government 'that knows best'; you think that countries cannot flourish and prosper unless people conduct their lives in the manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people - predominately men? Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm) I'm all for successful British businesses, we should do all we can to allow them to flourish, ie, minimum of government as possible. like letting them invest where they want, sell where they want and employ who they want? I agree. Absolutely - and free of all the EU controls and micro 'management'.
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18 May 14 3.22pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 18 May 2014 2.59pm

Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm

Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm

Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies.

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm)

I'm all for successful British businesses, we should do all we can to allow them to flourish, ie, minimum of government as possible.

like letting them invest where they want, sell where they want and employ who they want? I agree.

Absolutely - and free of all the EU controls and micro 'management'.

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Stirlingsays 18 May 14 3.23pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 18 May 2014 2.59pm like letting them invest where they want, sell where they want and employ who they want? I agree. I think most of us do. Mind you.....It doesn't extend to Amazon trading in the UK but paying its tax to Eire on that UK business. All thanks to the EU that little gem. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 May 2014 3.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 May 14 3.23pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 18 May 2014 2.59pm

like letting them invest where they want, sell where they want and employ who they want? I agree.

I think most of us do.

Mind you.....It doesn't extend to Amazon trading in the UK but paying its tax to Eire on that UK business.

All thanks to the EU that little gem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 May 2014 3.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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matt_himself Matataland 18 May 14 3.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm Yes, lets follow the US libertarian model of trying to eradicate the state when it comes to provision of services for the many, but not forgetting to maximise government support for the most wealthy in the form of huge tax breaks and federal funds for military spending and big business! So you prefer a government 'that knows best'; you think that countries cannot flourish and prosper unless people conduct their lives in the manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people - predominately men? Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm) A number of these 'assets' were effectively work nothing because of the work of your comrades in the sixties and seventies. Red Robbo destroyed the car industry in this country with his constant strikes. Same for coal, steel and shipbuilding. Check your history Gusset. The left have done their best to destroy British industry through the politics of envy. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 18 May 14 3.49pm

Quote nickgusset at 18 May 2014 2.09pm

Quote kangel at 18 May 2014 2.08pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 May 2014 1.11pm

Or let's keep our assets as a nation rather than selling them cheap to politicians mates or foreign companies.

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2014 2.10pm)

A number of these 'assets' were effectively work nothing because of the work of your comrades in the sixties and seventies. Red Robbo destroyed the car industry in this country with his constant strikes. Same for coal, steel and shipbuilding.

Check your history Gusset. The left have done their best to destroy British industry through the politics of envy.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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