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legaleagle Flag 25 Jul 14 11.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jul 2014 11.05pm

Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2014 10.44pm

I don't want to get involved in your spat with SD.As a general principle, I hope we'd all try and stay away from sidebar spats and in my humble opinion, there are some much worse offenders for getting into sidebar spats than either of you

But, NATO in former Yugo was re an external threat.Were Bosnia or Serbia or Kosovo NATO member "states" ? I think not.

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2014 10.50pm)

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2014 10.50pm)

I can't think who you are referring to..


Much worse than you

 

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legaleagle Flag 25 Jul 14 11.44pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2014 10.55pm

Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2014 10.44pm

I don't want to get involved in your spat with SD.As a general principle, I hope we'd all try and stay away from sidebar spats (and in my humble opinion, there are some much worse offenders

But, NATO in former Yugo was re an external threat.Were Bosnia or Serbia or Kosovo members of NATO? I think not,

Well, you just did.

How was the Bosnia war an external threat to NATO? Did it attack or threaten to attack a NATO country?




Sorry Stirling. I should have left it to you and SD, and left your (in my view) error uncorrected. In my opinion, the conflicts (not just one in Bosnia,but Serbia/Kosovo several years later) had the clear potential to affect the security of one or more member nations, as per NATO Charter.Not biting beyond that. I'll leave it to you two.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 14 11.44pm

I take it I won't see you on the demo in London tomorrow then Stirling?

In other news, I see that Israeli police used live ammo on a demo in Jerusalem in the week...
[Link]


Edited by nickgusset (25 Jul 2014 11.45pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jul 14 12.01am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jul 2014 11.44pm

I take it I won't see you on the demo in London tomorrow then Stirling?

In other news, I see that Israeli police used live ammo on a demo in Jerusalem in the week...
[Link]


Edited by nickgusset (25 Jul 2014 11.45pm)

I'm a bit busy.....but...

A silly part of me would like to go..... Just to go against type...Go in full on leftie and wear shades and a Che Guevara t-shirt.... mix with the inevitable anti semitic pseudo intellectuals and apologists and listen to them justify stuff as they vent along the 'I hate Israel more' scale.....Could be fun to shout some silly slogans.

But it isn't a laughing matter so no...It's awful...So I'll just hope they get this seven day ceasefire off the ground.

I'll be thinking of you in those shades Nick.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Jul 14 12.09am

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2014 12.01am

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jul 2014 11.44pm

I take it I won't see you on the demo in London tomorrow then Stirling?

In other news, I see that Israeli police used live ammo on a demo in Jerusalem in the week...
[Link]


Edited by nickgusset (25 Jul 2014 11.45pm)

I'm a bit busy.....but...

A silly part of me would like to go..... Just to go against type...Go in full on leftie and wear shades and a Che Guevara t-shirt.... mix with the inevitable anti semitic pseudo intellectuals and apologists and listen to them justify stuff as they vent along the 'I hate Israel more' scale.....Could be fun to shout some silly slogans.

But it isn't a laughing matter so no...It's awful...So I'll just hope they get this seven day ceasefire off the ground.

I'll be thinking of you in those shades Nick.

I can guarantee that the vast majority that are there will not be anti-semetic. In fact, there will be some people there who I know who also attended synagogues and mosques in 'right to worship' demo's in the face of fascists, or at demonstrations against the desecration of Jewish cemeteries.

The people demonstrating will not be hating Israel per-se, but protesting against the actions of the Jewish government.
But that probably is a bit confusing for you to comprehend because it's not black and white...

 

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Palacetinian Flag Surrey Fam 26 Jul 14 12.15am Send a Private Message to Palacetinian Add Palacetinian as a friend

Matt Lucas (himself a jew) tweeted this link: [Link]

As Israel’s assault on Gaza intensifies, it is not anti-Semitic to say: not in my name

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jul 14 12.19am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Just can't leave it be can you legal?

Bosnia was not an external threat to any NATO country. No NATO country requested any help along a military threat basis.

NATO responded to a UN request.

SD made the mistake in defining NATO's remit so narrowly. The old cold war remit has long gone. The reality is that NATO now covers many issues from terrorism and peace keeping activities.

It isn't just for external threats.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2014 12.19am)

 


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legaleagle Flag 26 Jul 14 12.21am

Quote Palacetinian at 26 Jul 2014 12.15am

Matt Lucas (himself a jew) tweeted this link: [Link]

As Israel’s assault on Gaza intensifies, it is not anti-Semitic to say: not in my name


Its a well written, balanced piece and I agree with it.

 

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legaleagle Flag 26 Jul 14 12.21am

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2014 12.19am

Just can't leave it be can you legal?

Bosnia was not an external threat to any NATO country. No NATO country requested any help along a military threat basis.

NATO responded to a UN request.

SD made the mistake in defining NATO's remit so narrowly. The old cold war remit has long gone. The reality is that NATO now covers many issues from terrorism and peace keeping activities.

It isn't just for external threats.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2014 12.19am)


Good night, Stirling. no more biting. People can make their own minds up if you've answered what I wrote fully.

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legaleagle Flag 26 Jul 14 12.27am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Jul 2014 12.09am

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2014 12.01am

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jul 2014 11.44pm

I take it I won't see you on the demo in London tomorrow then Stirling?

In other news, I see that Israeli police used live ammo on a demo in Jerusalem in the week...
[Link]


Edited by nickgusset (25 Jul 2014 11.45pm)

I'm a bit busy.....but...

A silly part of me would like to go..... Just to go against type...Go in full on leftie and wear shades and a Che Guevara t-shirt.... mix with the inevitable anti semitic pseudo intellectuals and apologists and listen to them justify stuff as they vent along the 'I hate Israel more' scale.....Could be fun to shout some silly slogans.

But it isn't a laughing matter so no...It's awful...So I'll just hope they get this seven day ceasefire off the ground.

I'll be thinking of you in those shades Nick.

I can guarantee that the vast majority that are there will not be anti-semetic. In fact, there will be some people there who I know who also attended synagogues and mosques in 'right to worship' demo's in the face of fascists, or at demonstrations against the desecration of Jewish cemeteries.

The people demonstrating will not be hating Israel per-se, but protesting against the actions of the Jewish government.
But that probably is a bit confusing for you to comprehend because it's not black and white...

Want to reword "Jewish Government" as "Israeli" Government?

Edited by legaleagle (26 Jul 2014 12.27am)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jul 14 12.27am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 26 Jul 2014 12.09am

I can guarantee that the vast majority that are there will not be anti-semetic. In fact, there will be some people there who I know who also attended synagogues and mosques in 'right to worship' demo's in the face of fascists, or at demonstrations against the desecration of Jewish cemeteries.

The people demonstrating will not be hating Israel per-se, but protesting against the actions of the Jewish government.
But that probably is a bit confusing for you to comprehend because it's not black and white...


Blimey, it's quite something when you are accused by Nick of seeing a conflict in black and white terms.

By the way Nick, Israel still sticking around for the gas reserves then?

Just to check upon your powers of comprehension and all that.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Jul 14 12.28am

Quote legaleagle at 26 Jul 2014 12.27am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Jul 2014 12.09am

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2014 12.01am

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jul 2014 11.44pm

I take it I won't see you on the demo in London tomorrow then Stirling?

In other news, I see that Israeli police used live ammo on a demo in Jerusalem in the week...
[Link]


Edited by nickgusset (25 Jul 2014 11.45pm)

I'm a bit busy.....but...

A silly part of me would like to go..... Just to go against type...Go in full on leftie and wear shades and a Che Guevara t-shirt.... mix with the inevitable anti semitic pseudo intellectuals and apologists and listen to them justify stuff as they vent along the 'I hate Israel more' scale.....Could be fun to shout some silly slogans.

But it isn't a laughing matter so no...It's awful...So I'll just hope they get this seven day ceasefire off the ground.

I'll be thinking of you in those shades Nick.

I can guarantee that the vast majority that are there will not be anti-semetic. In fact, there will be some people there who I know who also attended synagogues and mosques in 'right to worship' demo's in the face of fascists, or at demonstrations against the desecration of Jewish cemeteries.

The people demonstrating will not be hating Israel per-se, but protesting against the actions of the Jewish government.
But that probably is a bit confusing for you to comprehend because it's not black and white...

Want to reword "Jewish Government" as "Israeli" Government?

Edited by legaleagle (26 Jul 2014 12.27am)

Yes. thanks

 

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