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Hoof Hearted 31 Mar 17 10.35am
Originally posted by Bert the Head I don't think you understand - and am not surprised that you don't - but nothing has started at all until yesterday. Up till now we have had nine months of nothing but chest puffing and a falling pound. I hope it works out since, unlike the owners of the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph and the Sun, I live here. But I am not confident. I just hope the Brexiters are right and the people who voted remain like me are wrong. Otherwise its another press supported error of judgement - like the Iraq war but one that actually hurts us instead of the civilians of Iraq...and Syria and Libya. Maybe we have it coming. Hurrah.... welcome back Bert. How is downtown Epsom? I've missed you dissing the right wing newspapers... I really have!
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Hoof Hearted 31 Mar 17 10.35am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

I don't think you understand - and am not surprised that you don't - but nothing has started at all until yesterday. Up till now we have had nine months of nothing but chest puffing and a falling pound.

I hope it works out since, unlike the owners of the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph and the Sun, I live here.

But I am not confident. I just hope the Brexiters are right and the people who voted remain like me are wrong.

Otherwise its another press supported error of judgement - like the Iraq war but one that actually hurts us instead of the civilians of Iraq...and Syria and Libya.

Maybe we have it coming.

Hurrah.... welcome back Bert.

How is downtown Epsom?

I've missed you dissing the right wing newspapers... I really have!

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matt_himself Matataland 31 Mar 17 10.42am
Originally posted by legaleagle Originally posted by matt_himself Legal, we are nine months into this. Twice, your sort, have told us by certain specific dates that Brexit would result in us living in a post apocalyptic hell. Those dates have passed. So the Remain camp is moving to another deadline for all to go a bit JG Ballard? It's a bit inconsistent. No? ...................................... Shows how little you read what I have posted in the past,in fact,no?..But don't let that get in the way of your "analysis".. My sort? Us Kryptonians know from what happened to our own planet post-Kryptexit how these things can pan out.... Edited by legaleagle (31 Mar 2017 9.13am) To be fair, your posts are generally supercilious mirror-w***s, seemingly designed to prove how superior you think you are to us mortals. I kind of get bored and turn off. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 31 Mar 17 10.42am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Originally posted by matt_himself

Legal, we are nine months into this.

Twice, your sort, have told us by certain specific dates that Brexit would result in us living in a post apocalyptic hell. Those dates have passed.

So the Remain camp is moving to another deadline for all to go a bit JG Ballard?

It's a bit inconsistent. No?

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Shows how little you read what I have posted in the past,in fact,no?..But don't let that get in the way of your "analysis"..

My sort? Us Kryptonians know from what happened to our own planet post-Kryptexit how these things can pan out....

Edited by legaleagle (31 Mar 2017 9.13am)

To be fair, your posts are generally supercilious mirror-w***s, seemingly designed to prove how superior you think you are to us mortals.

I kind of get bored and turn off.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hoof Hearted 31 Mar 17 10.50am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Draft guidelines on how the EU intends to negotiate the UK's departure from the bloc to be announced later. EU leaders say the UK must first agree its (the EU) exit terms before talks can move on to future ties. Looks like we are holding all the aces, folks. We are holding all the trump cards Kermy.... Just wait till the EU start to play hardball with us and impose tariffs on our goods imported into the EU. We will have to reciprocate and impose tariffs on all goods imported into the UK from the EU nations. The German Car Manufacturers, French Farmers, Spanish/Italian/French Wine and Cheese Producers, Greek Olive Oil Producers Etc Etc.... How long before that lot, and plenty more, kick up a fuss about losing market share of the UK's imported goods because the price is uncompetitive due to the imposed tariffs Merkel, Hollande (or his replacement) will have to back down or face the sack. Weeks.... not months, before all of them have an embarrassing climbdown because put quite simply they rely on UK trade and we import much more than we export to the EU.
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Hoof Hearted 31 Mar 17 10.50am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Draft guidelines on how the EU intends to negotiate the UK's departure from the bloc to be announced later.

EU leaders say the UK must first agree its (the EU) exit terms before talks can move on to future ties.

Looks like we are holding all the aces, folks.

We are holding all the trump cards Kermy....

Just wait till the EU start to play hardball with us and impose tariffs on our goods imported into the EU.

We will have to reciprocate and impose tariffs on all goods imported into the UK from the EU nations.

The German Car Manufacturers, French Farmers, Spanish/Italian/French Wine and Cheese Producers, Greek Olive Oil Producers Etc Etc....

How long before that lot, and plenty more, kick up a fuss about losing market share of the UK's imported goods because the price is uncompetitive due to the imposed tariffs

Merkel, Hollande (or his replacement) will have to back down or face the sack.

Weeks.... not months, before all of them have an embarrassing climbdown because put quite simply they rely on UK trade and we import much more than we export to the EU.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 11.37am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted We are holding all the trump cards Kermy.... Just wait till the EU start to play hardball with us and impose tariffs on our goods imported into the EU. We will have to reciprocate and impose tariffs on all goods imported into the UK from the EU nations. The German Car Manufacturers, French Farmers, Spanish/Italian/French Wine and Cheese Producers, Greek Olive Oil Producers Etc Etc.... How long before that lot, and plenty more, kick up a fuss about losing market share of the UK's imported goods because the price is uncompetitive due to the imposed tariffs Merkel, Hollande (or his replacement) will have to back down or face the sack. Weeks.... not months, before all of them have an embarrassing climbdown because put quite simply they rely on UK trade and we import much more than we export to the EU. I hope you are right, but it's a bit crystal ball.
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Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 11.37am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

We are holding all the trump cards Kermy....

Just wait till the EU start to play hardball with us and impose tariffs on our goods imported into the EU.

We will have to reciprocate and impose tariffs on all goods imported into the UK from the EU nations.

The German Car Manufacturers, French Farmers, Spanish/Italian/French Wine and Cheese Producers, Greek Olive Oil Producers Etc Etc....

How long before that lot, and plenty more, kick up a fuss about losing market share of the UK's imported goods because the price is uncompetitive due to the imposed tariffs

Merkel, Hollande (or his replacement) will have to back down or face the sack.

Weeks.... not months, before all of them have an embarrassing climbdown because put quite simply they rely on UK trade and we import much more than we export to the EU.

I hope you are right, but it's a bit crystal ball.

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Hoof Hearted 31 Mar 17 11.52am
Originally posted by nickgusset I hope you are right, but it's a bit crystal ball. You can't argue with the logic.
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Hoof Hearted 31 Mar 17 11.52am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I hope you are right, but it's a bit crystal ball.

You can't argue with the logic.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 12.01pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You can't argue with the logic. As you are responding, I'll make the most of it. As someone who voted leave because of immigration (among other things no doubt) what do you make of David Davis's remark about immigration levels staying the same or rising if we are to keep the economy going? I'd feel a bit cheated myself. Link to evening standard article [Link] Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 12.01pm)
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Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 12.01pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You can't argue with the logic.

As you are responding, I'll make the most of it.
As someone who voted leave because of immigration (among other things no doubt) what do you make of David Davis's remark about immigration levels staying the same or rising if we are to keep the economy going? I'd feel a bit cheated myself.

Link to evening standard article [Link]

Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 12.01pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Mar 17 12.06pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted We are holding all the trump cards Kermy.... Just wait till the EU start to play hardball with us and impose tariffs on our goods imported into the EU. We will have to reciprocate and impose tariffs on all goods imported into the UK from the EU nations. Will we though, because a lot of the UK enterprises are foreign owned. I can't see the UK adding tariffs to German cars, given the number of people employed with say BMW or Mercedes. And wouldn't the price just be added on to the end consumer. If your the EU, that's a much larger group, than the UK. Also given the number of memberstates in the EU, the option to subsidise those UK tariffs is probably far more viable than it would be for the UK to do the same. There is then also the risk that in response, that companies will start to relocate to Europe, and the UK is fairly dependent on foreign firms etc. We'll likely end up 'imposing tariffs, and then cutting corporation taxes to compensate firms operating in the UK from import tariffs. Plus can we really 'fight a trade war' whilst also trying to negotiate trade deals with every other country in the world. Wouldn't they just leverage that 'conflict with the EU' to their own ends?. Originally posted by Hoof Hearted The German Car Manufacturers, French Farmers, Spanish/Italian/French Wine and Cheese Producers, Greek Olive Oil Producers Etc Etc.... How long before that lot, and plenty more, kick up a fuss about losing market share of the UK's imported goods because the price is uncompetitive due to the imposed tariffs I'd imagine it'll be a race between them complaining, and consumers in the UK complaining about the prices. The EU has a reputation for using subsidies to protect its members losses, and could find it easier to raise that subsidy from each member states than the UK could from taxation. How long to the UK population complain that they can't get olive oil, French cheese, German Cars and parts, and so on (at reasonable prices). How self sufficient is the UK, not very. I'm not saying your wrong, but I think there is a tendency to over estimate our position of strength, because we're currently in the EU. Obviously I hope your right, but I am concerned about the general assumed 'everything will be fine, and there will be no consequences'. There are always consequences from change. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 31 Mar 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

We are holding all the trump cards Kermy....

Just wait till the EU start to play hardball with us and impose tariffs on our goods imported into the EU.

We will have to reciprocate and impose tariffs on all goods imported into the UK from the EU nations.

Will we though, because a lot of the UK enterprises are foreign owned. I can't see the UK adding tariffs to German cars, given the number of people employed with say BMW or Mercedes. And wouldn't the price just be added on to the end consumer. If your the EU, that's a much larger group, than the UK.

Also given the number of memberstates in the EU, the option to subsidise those UK tariffs is probably far more viable than it would be for the UK to do the same.

There is then also the risk that in response, that companies will start to relocate to Europe, and the UK is fairly dependent on foreign firms etc. We'll likely end up 'imposing tariffs, and then cutting corporation taxes to compensate firms operating in the UK from import tariffs.

Plus can we really 'fight a trade war' whilst also trying to negotiate trade deals with every other country in the world. Wouldn't they just leverage that 'conflict with the EU' to their own ends?.

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The German Car Manufacturers, French Farmers, Spanish/Italian/French Wine and Cheese Producers, Greek Olive Oil Producers Etc Etc....

How long before that lot, and plenty more, kick up a fuss about losing market share of the UK's imported goods because the price is uncompetitive due to the imposed tariffs

I'd imagine it'll be a race between them complaining, and consumers in the UK complaining about the prices. The EU has a reputation for using subsidies to protect its members losses, and could find it easier to raise that subsidy from each member states than the UK could from taxation.

How long to the UK population complain that they can't get olive oil, French cheese, German Cars and parts, and so on (at reasonable prices). How self sufficient is the UK, not very.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I think there is a tendency to over estimate our position of strength, because we're currently in the EU. Obviously I hope your right, but I am concerned about the general assumed 'everything will be fine, and there will be no consequences'.

There are always consequences from change.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Mar 17 12.09pm
Originally posted by nickgusset As you are responding, I'll make the most of it. As someone who voted leave because of immigration (among other things no doubt) what do you make of David Davis's remark about immigration levels staying the same or rising if we are to keep the economy going? I'd feel a bit cheated myself. Link to evening standard article [Link] Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 12.01pm) Well I'd imagine, they'll great a myth about why its only 'short term necessity' whilst failing to hold the government accountable. Basically, the government of the UK will pay lip service to the issues of leave, whilst continuing to just serve their corporate masters agendas. All that will happen is that working immigrants will get a worse deal. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 31 Mar 17 12.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Link to evening standard article [Link]

Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2017 12.01pm)

Well I'd imagine, they'll great a myth about why its only 'short term necessity' whilst failing to hold the government accountable.

Basically, the government of the UK will pay lip service to the issues of leave, whilst continuing to just serve their corporate masters agendas. All that will happen is that working immigrants will get a worse deal.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 17 12.15pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well I'd imagine, they'll great a myth about why its only 'short term necessity' whilst failing to hold the government accountable. Basically, the government of the UK will pay lip service to the issues of leave, whilst continuing to just serve their corporate masters agendas. All that will happen is that working immigrants will get a worse deal. And that is precisely why we need a third party to pressure them. We still need a UKIP or whatever they evolve into. When the government predictably try and continue business as usual, the electorate need to remind them what it was all about.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well I'd imagine, they'll great a myth about why its only 'short term necessity' whilst failing to hold the government accountable.

And that is precisely why we need a third party to pressure them. We still need a UKIP or whatever they evolve into. When the government predictably try and continue business as usual, the electorate need to remind them what it was all about.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 12.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I'd imagine it'll be a race between them complaining, and consumers in the UK complaining about the prices. The EU has a reputation for using subsidies to protect its members losses, and could find it easier to raise that subsidy from each member states than the UK could from taxation. How long to the UK population complain that they can't get olive oil, French cheese, German Cars and parts, and so on (at reasonable prices). How self sufficient is the UK, not very. I'm not saying your wrong, but I think there is a tendency to over estimate our position of strength, because we're currently in the EU. Obviously I hope your right, but I am concerned about the general assumed 'everything will be fine, and there will be no consequences'. There are always consequences from change. What Hoof hasn't addressed is that most of our trade in services. How will tariffs work here. Would say Architects be affected negatively?
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Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 17 12.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

How long to the UK population complain that they can't get olive oil, French cheese, German Cars and parts, and so on (at reasonable prices). How self sufficient is the UK, not very.

There are always consequences from change.

What Hoof hasn't addressed is that most of our trade in services. How will tariffs work here. Would say Architects be affected negatively?

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