This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
silvertop Portishead 08 Mar 24 9.59am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Crown courts decide guilt or innocence and convict the guilty. Mr Melia was convicted of taking actions intended to produce reactions in others. Encouraging others to commit illegal acts is itself a crime. He was not convicted of simply thinking about something and intending at some time in the future to possibly take action. He was convicted of doing it. It was the actions that held the intentions. Mr Melia took the actions. As for myself. I have no idea why it is being suggested I have “lost” two cases. I have never been charged with one, let alone two. A civil claim, defended by my insurer, went against us recently. Prior to that the only cases I have been involved in were in the small claims court more than 20 years ago. Two were won. I lost a claim against a bank for excessive fees. The only other things have been reviews by a Tribunal and an appeal to an Ombudsman. Not Courts. What were those acts he was encouraging?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Mar 24 11.02am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by silvertop
What were those acts he was encouraging? More reproduction by English people. Criminal enough.
Red and Blue Army! |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 08 Mar 24 11.22am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Running businesses tends to result in more necessity for the use of the courts to settle disputes than staying at home and occupying your time on football forums. My recent case was the first since I retired. It could have been settled by the insurers, who had total control over it that having been delegated contractually by the terms of the policy. They though decided to fight it as they too were convinced it was fraud and wanted to expose it. They believed they had a compelling witness in me. It would have been much cheaper for them to have settled. As this could have happened to any one of us this is a lesson for all. Not something to try to make personal due to a dislike. The statements on Mr Melia are factually incorrect. The Court convicted him on his actions not on his opinions. Do you think that right wing activists are treated the same as those on the left? Could you provide a list of convicted leftist activists? What about Islamists? Have you got a list of Islamists who were convicted for the same things as this guy? If you can, it will strengthen your argument.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 08 Mar 24 7.20pm | |
---|---|
More on house prices. In denying most of the youth the ability to own their own homes the neo liberals have not only pulled the ladder up, they have feasted upon the success and work of previous generations and left nothing for their children...outside of a lucky few. [Tweet Link]
Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2024 7.21pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 08 Mar 24 7.56pm | |
---|---|
Looks like the statue for Muslims policy was a real winner. Real red meat for the base that one. [Tweet Link]
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 24 8.31pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by silvertop
What were those acts he was encouraging? I’ve not seen the evidence but it must have been sufficient to justify a conviction. You would need to have examined all the internet communications to know what he was up to.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 24 8.40pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Do you think that right wing activists are treated the same as those on the left? Could you provide a list of convicted leftist activists? What about Islamists? Have you got a list of Islamists who were convicted for the same things as this guy? If you can, it will strengthen your argument. I certainly hope so. A crime is a crime. The politics, race or religion of the criminal is irrelevant. That said it is known that the Police are concerned about the growing threat from right wing extremists so are probably paying special attention to them. No doubt you will think this is nonsense and that there is a much bigger threat from both “leftists” and Islamists. You though don’t possess the same data that the Police has. You just have instinct born of prejudice.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 08 Mar 24 8.48pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I certainly hope so. A crime is a crime. The politics, race or religion of the criminal is irrelevant. That said it is known that the Police are concerned about the growing threat from right wing extremists so are probably paying special attention to them. No doubt you will think this is nonsense and that there is a much bigger threat from both “leftists” and Islamists. You though don’t possess the same data that the Police has. You just have instinct born of prejudice. So you can't provide examples? After bombings, shootings, stabbings, car ramming and beheading by Islamists across Europe, you think that right wing activists are the problem? Another day in Wisbech world.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 24 8.49pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by silvertop
I am not going to bother to look up the thread, but my dim memory was that it was you who posted the report with the police statement. Anyway, an analysis of the mental state or mens rea, the cogency of evidence, aggravating factors and so on are all parasitic elements of the critical core: the acts themselves or actus rea. Without the acts, there is nothing to aggravate, or evidence to amass to prove, or indeed thought and intention behind those acts to consider. In this case, as much as I detest this man and all he stands for, he took pains to stay on the side of the law. He published small stickers describing what he believed to be a supportable fact. There was no terrorism, there was no fear, there was nothing to provoke anything in anyone. Also, a civil claim in defamation would have failed as it would have been considered by a court as fair comment. Yet, it meets the stiffer criminal burden of proof? The racially aggravated criminal damage was not putting a brick through a mosque or synagogue - acts of the sort intended by the legislature to deter - it was handing out small stickers to be placed on lampposts. TWO YEARS prison for those acts is madness. That though was not all the evidence. He wasn’t convicted of criminal damage to lampposts. He was convicted of encouraging others to commit racially motivated criminal damage. I believe he did that through communications on the dark web which were traced and presented as part of the evidence. The stickers themselves seem a bit of a sideshow.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 24 8.51pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you can't provide examples? After bombings, shootings, stabbings, car ramming and beheading by Islamists across Europe, you think that right wing activists are the problem? Another day in Wisbech world. You asked me about how we deal with activists here who break the law. Not what happens elsewhere.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 08 Mar 24 9.00pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You asked me about how we deal with activists here who break the law. Not what happens elsewhere. Elsewhere? It happened here. You really make yourself look foolish with this kind of tactical nonsense.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 08 Mar 24 9.26pm | |
---|---|
Convicted for communications on the dark web encouraging people to break the law? That's a new one on me. Where is the evidence for this?
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Registration is now on our new message board
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.