That will be a great time but it won’t happen until then and immature strops achieve nothing. What if we sell Zaha in the summer, struggle with a mixture of things, atmosphere at home included, and get relegated.

COYP

We're going round in circles.

To summarise as I see it...

HF wanted to move behind the goal.
Club would not move existing season ticket holders (quite rightly)
HF disbanded
Most people agree the atmosphere suffered.
Not a lot can be done now this season as the HF gave up their seats.
Hopefully something can be sorted for next season

Just wondered why the HF actually gave up their seats couldn't they have kept them, dressed 'normal' and not sang. Then at some point in the season if some sort of compromise could be found maybe for next season they could have been 'revived' (or is it expecting too much for them to come to games in club shirts? )

My version of compromise would be that the club are communicating with current supporters that are in favour of the HF. There seems to be a fair few. If there are pockets of these in blocks A-E, which stand anyway, then the club helps facilitate ticketing to group together. The HF compromise by expanding their number/those singing on the clubs terms but continue to be given dispensation to allow standing, displays, drums etc.

Agree with both your comments spartakev2.

HF have done a great job over the years, there's no doubting that. I remember not that long ago (relatively speaking) sitting in an empty Block V of the Arthur with just my Dad and brother for company on a cold, rainy Tuesday evening and I probably could have shouted a conversation with someone in the family stand if I wanted to, that's how quiet it was.

And by changing that, rightly so over the years they have got special treatment from the club. There's a blind eye turned to the standing, tickets for our landmark games are put aside for the HF (promotion final, FA Cup Final, etc.) to keep them together and get our atmosphere rocking.

But there has to be a line. I can't detect truth from fiction in this mega thread, but I think spartakev2's first comment sums it up nicely without emotion from either side (assuming it's accurate!). You can't as a non officially sanctioned group of supporters expect the club to shift people to accommodate you in this manner. It would create a tier system of sorts where the HF would be seen as "priority" over other season ticket holders, some of which might have had their seat since the Holmesdale was rebuilt. On top of that who decides who's HF and who isn't? Some bloke down the pub? Hardly seems fair to those who might be on a waiting list for a seat in that block or find themselves moved through no fault of their own.

It's just a step too far. I hope for one that they have kept their seats and are just incognito for now. Seems a pity to cut your nose off to spite your face and to stop doing something that they genuinely seemed to enjoy doing every match day, as well as improve the atmosphere at Selhurst.

The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots

Completely agree

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