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Stirlingsays 01 May 17 6.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Uganda and Nigeria and plenty of others have punitive jail time. 34 African countries have it down as illegal. Looks like roughly one-third of them are predominately Christian and two-thirds Muslim. Edited by Kermit8 (01 May 2017 6.32pm) Listening to Kermy defend this crap is amusing. He talks about backwater non mainstream Christianity states with attitudes towards homosexuals that are condemned by mainstream Christianity and the rest of us...those countries do need to reform...most definitely.....But It's quite clearly a joke to make these equivalencies....but having a ridiculous point of view has never stopped him before so I suppose at least he's consistent. Religious zealots in Africa aren't going to affect or potentially threaten the political environment in Britain for my kids in the future. The problem is here...in mainstream Islam and Kermy is a part of the cover for it.....what was the other ridiculous example he put forward?...Westboro Baptist church...with all of its 40 members. When surveyed 52 percent of British Muslims thought that homosexuality should be illegal in Britain compared to 5 percent of non Muslims. Only 18 percent of Muslims said being gay should be legal in Britain. Good thing they have Kermy saying we have nothing to complain about....Let's talk about Africa Christians eh.....deflect, deflect, deflect. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population. Kermy thinks he's being he's being a protector of a repressed minority in Britain....Well in one sense he is....He's protecting the rights of a minority to repress another minority. He isn't defending or promoting reforming Islam...He's criticising those people who support reformists. Apparently you can't criticise bad ideas when a minority is connected to them. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 6.55pm)
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matt_himself Matataland 01 May 17 6.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
None the wiser what you are on about there. Probably best leave that one as you are obviously struggling. Next. You posted at 2.19 today, on this thread, that you needed 'convincing that major religions didn't need reforming'. That implies that you believe that religions need reform. You are doing all this evasion because you don't want to answer the question because you are not gifted enough to provide an answer. You really are a blowhard.
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7mins In the bush 01 May 17 6.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Uganda and Nigeria and plenty of others have punitive jail time. 34 African countries have it down as illegal. Looks like roughly one-third of them are predominately Christian and two-thirds Muslim. Edited by Kermit8 (01 May 2017 6.32pm)
Any country/religion/race that doesn't believe in equality for all is s***.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 17 7.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Listening to Kermy defend this crap is amusing. He talks about backwater non mainstream Christianity states with attitudes towards homosexuals that are condemned by mainstream Christianity and the rest of us...those countries do need to reform...most definitely.....But It's quite clearly a joke to make these equivalencies....but having a ridiculous point of view has never stopped him before so I suppose at least he's consistent. Religious zealots in Africa aren't going to affect or potentially threaten the political environment in Britain for my kids in the future. The problem is here...in mainstream Islam and Kermy is a part of the cover for it.....what was the other ridiculous example he put forward?...Westboro Baptist church...with all of its 40 members. When surveyed 52 percent of British Muslims thought that homosexuality should be illegal in Britain compared to 5 percent of non Muslims. Only 18 percent of Muslims said being gay should be legal in Britain. Good thing they have Kermy saying we have nothing to complain about....Let's talk about Africa Christians eh.....deflect, deflect, deflect. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population. Kermy thinks he's being he's being a protector of a repressed minority in Britain....Well in one sense he is....He's protecting the rights of a minority to repress another minority. He isn't defending or promoting reforming Islam...He's criticising those people who support reformists. Apparently you can't criticise bad ideas when a minority is connected to them. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 6.55pm) With the Ghana position on homosexuality, it does concern me that many that come over might indoctrinate any English people they may marry and further spread homophobic attitudes. In fact I've never heard anyone condemn Ghanaians for not getting their own house in order.
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Kermit8 Hevon 01 May 17 7.17pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Any country/religion/race that doesn't believe in equality for all is s***.
Agree 100%. One rule for all. Attack all forms of nasty bigotry from wherever equally and not just the convenient-to-some - because it suit's their agenda - ones
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Kermit8 Hevon 01 May 17 7.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Listening to Kermy defend this crap is amusing. He talks about backwater non mainstream Christianity states with attitudes towards homosexuals that are condemned by mainstream Christianity and the rest of us...those countries do need to reform...most definitely.....But It's quite clearly a joke to make these equivalencies....but having a ridiculous point of view has never stopped him before so I suppose at least he's consistent. Religious zealots in Africa aren't going to affect or potentially threaten the political environment in Britain for my kids in the future. The problem is here...in mainstream Islam and Kermy is a part of the cover for it.....what was the other ridiculous example he put forward?...Westboro Baptist church...with all of its 40 members. When surveyed 52 percent of British Muslims thought that homosexuality should be illegal in Britain compared to 5 percent of non Muslims. Only 18 percent of Muslims said being gay should be legal in Britain. Good thing they have Kermy saying we have nothing to complain about....Let's talk about Africa Christians eh.....deflect, deflect, deflect. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population. Kermy thinks he's being he's being a protector of a repressed minority in Britain....Well in one sense he is....He's protecting the rights of a minority to repress another minority. He isn't defending or promoting reforming Islam...He's criticising those people who support reformists. Apparently you can't criticise bad ideas when a minority is connected to them. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 6.55pm) Nice diatribe but I merely saying you can't have one rule for one particular bigot and give a pass to another bigot who is promoting exactly the same heinous proposals. You must aim to reform all the nastiness in all religions. You think gay people will be safer in all the Christian areas i have mentioned because Islam has reformed itself? Bollocks they will.
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Stirlingsays 01 May 17 7.26pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
With the Ghana position on homosexuality, it does concern me that many that come over might indoctrinate any English people they may marry and further spread homophobic attitudes. In fact I've never heard anyone condemn Ghanaians for not getting their own house in order.
I've been complaining about foreign cultures coming over here in large quantities with overly negative attitudes towards Jews, homosexuals and women for I don't know how long. The Jewish population here for example has declined as the Islamic one went up.....You only have to look at the list of nobel prizes to see that this isn't a good exchange. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 7.28pm)
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Stirlingsays 01 May 17 7.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Nice diatribe but I merely saying you can't have one rule for one particular bigot and give a pass to another bigot who is promoting exactly the same heinous proposals. You must aim to reform all the nastiness in all religions. You think gay people will be safer in all the Christian areas i have mentioned because Islam has reformed itself? Bollocks they will. Who's giving a pass? You make up this points yourself. Your comparisons on these problems however are quite frankly ridiculous. You are the one who mentioned Westboro Baptist Church. Sure I want backwards people in other countries to reform. But this is you changing the parameters of the debate. Nothing can be done about different countries. This country can only take action to encourage reform here. I'm a secular humanist....All religions are problematical, Islam is just the most problematical....by a county mile. You are a part of the problem.
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Kermit8 Hevon 01 May 17 7.34pm | |
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This lot need watching carefully, coming over here with their culture. Attachment: Suspicious.jpg (89.77Kb)
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Kermit8 Hevon 01 May 17 7.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Who's giving a pass? You make up this points yourself. Your comparisons on these problems however are quite frankly ridiculous. You are the one who mentioned Westboro Baptist Church. Sure I want backwards people in other countries to reform. But this is you changing the parameters of the debate. Nothing can be done about different countries. This country can only take action to encourage reform here. I'm a secular humanist....All religions are problematical, Islam is just the most problematical....by a county mile. You are a part of the problem. Sorry Stirling, but that is idiotic. You want to reform a whole religion in one tiny area of the globe but leave the rest of it as it is elsewhere? All this time I thought you meant worldwide, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, but, in fact, you just meant in Blighty. That is beyond naivete and acceptable idiocy. We can't reform Islam here unilaterally. But we can bring in laws which target the extremists and followers of violent cult-ish warped Islam.
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Stirlingsays 01 May 17 7.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Sorry Stirling, but that is idiotic. You want to reform a whole religion in one tiny area of the globe but leave the rest of it as it is elsewhere? All this time I thought you meant worldwide, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, but, in fact, you just meant in Blighty. That is beyond naivete and acceptable idiocy. We can't reform Islam here unilaterally. But we can bring in laws which target the extremists and followers of violent cult-ish warped Islam. I said we couldn't reform religion in other countries, not that I wouldn't like it. We can only control what is accepted here. Look, I've said how we could go about helping reformers within Islam here. There's little point in my waffling on and repeating myself. As much as anything religion interests me...I'm going to try to stop looking at the posts on the thread....Otherwise I can see me continually posting the same annoyed stuff on here when I'd rather be doing something a little bit more enjoyable and productive.
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7mins In the bush 01 May 17 7.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Agree 100%. One rule for all. Attack all forms of nasty bigotry from wherever equally and not just the convenient-to-some - because it suit's their agenda - ones The reason Islam is being discussed is because the thread is discussing a Islamic terrorist. Whataboutery doesn't help anyone. Every bit of bigotry should be confronted... problem with Islam is, they don't take criticism well. Victoria Derbyshire had a show about people leaving their religion. It's a medieval religion that needs reform
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