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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 10.29pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
"Drivers on Southern Railway have overwhelmingly voted to strike in a dispute over driver-only trains. The move raises the prospect of further travel disruption on Southern over the holiday period. Members of the ASLEF union backed walkouts by 87% and other forms of action by 95%, with a turnout of 77%." Sack them, and there will be a queue round the block for applicants! Feckers don't know where their bread is buttered! Cnuts!
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7mins In the bush 19 Dec 16 10.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
That may well be "the long term plan", but you cannot argue that ticket inspectors are being phased out. You said yourself that they need revenue to hit targets for bonuses. If the ticket inspectors job becomes the guards job, then the ticket inspectors job, as it is, will become redundant. So they will eventually become excess to requirements, the said reduction of workforce (90%)?) will reduce, and safety remains at it's current level. Ticket inspectors are not needed, nor are ticket offices at some stations, I'm not against people losing their jobs (as sad as it is). Guards are needed, they are safety trained (SCB/TCOC/Dets/Isolation/ETC), that's why i'm against them being phased out... the CCTV isn't up to standard, any emergency or assistance protection (safety procedures) will involve drivers leaving a train unattended on the tracks with over 1200 people on it.
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7mins In the bush 19 Dec 16 10.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Sack them, and there will be a queue round the block for applicants! Feckers don't know where their bread is buttered! Cnuts! If you did that, you would have no trains for 18 months. Also drivers train new drivers. Also I can understand someone being against the strikes, but calling someone a cnut for giving up thousands in the name of safety, makes you look a bit thick/chavvy/drunk Delete as appropriate
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Dec 16 11.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
That may well be "the long term plan", but you cannot argue that ticket inspectors are being phased out. You said yourself that they need revenue to hit targets for bonuses. If the ticket inspectors job becomes the guards job, then the ticket inspectors job, as it is, will become redundant. So they will eventually become excess to requirements, the said reduction of workforce (90%)?) will reduce, and safety remains at it's current level. One could be forgiven for thinking you'd relish people losing their jobs. Particularly those that happen to be in a union. Brilliant. No more pesky workers holding employers to account. I wonder what would happen. Maybe like in the prison service where the union couldn't strike. But like the railways there's profits and dividends involved so H+S goes out of the window, probably helped by the health and safety gone mad narrative of the last couple of decades.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.15pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Ticket inspectors are not needed, nor are ticket offices at some stations, I'm not against people losing their jobs (as sad as it is). Guards are needed, they are safety trained (SCB/TCOC/Dets/Isolation/ETC), that's why i'm against them being phased out... the CCTV isn't up to standard, any emergency or assistance protection (safety procedures) will involve drivers leaving a train unattended on the tracks with over 1200 people on it. You said they are needed so that Southern hit bonus targets. Make your mind up.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
If you did that, you would have no trains for 18 months. Also drivers train new drivers. Also I can understand someone being against the strikes, but calling someone a cnut for giving up thousands in the name of safety, makes you look a bit thick/chavvy/drunk Delete as appropriate I was being flippant. But I think they are being arrogant.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.18pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
One could be forgiven for thinking you'd relish people losing their jobs. Particularly those that happen to be in a union. Brilliant. No more pesky workers holding employers to account. I wonder what would happen. Maybe like in the prison service where the union couldn't strike. But like the railways there's profits and dividends involved so H+S goes out of the window, probably helped by the health and safety gone mad narrative of the last couple of decades.
I don't relish people losing jobs, but if they are obsolete, they are necessary. What do prisons have to do with this strike?
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7mins In the bush 19 Dec 16 11.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I don't relish people losing jobs, but if they are obsolete, they are necessary. What do prisons have to do with this strike? That's why I said I have no problem with ticket office etc losing their job. Guards are safety trained, If Southern want rid, they should employ more platform staff to help with dispatch and upgrade the in cab cctv. That's the minimum they should have done.
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7mins In the bush 19 Dec 16 11.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I was being flippant. But I think they are being arrogant. Arrogant???
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.29pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
That's why I said I have no problem with ticket office etc losing their job. Guards are safety trained, If Southern want rid, they should employ more platform staff to help with dispatch and upgrade the in cab cctv. That's the minimum they should have done. Can't the retained guards do that? Or is it beneath them?
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7mins In the bush 19 Dec 16 11.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Can't the retained guards do that? Or is it beneath them? Yes they could, and I have no idea if the guards think it is beneath (thought it a silly question to be honest) But the above is a moot point, as Southern have no intention to retrain them.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.33pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Arrogant??? Arrogance. Thinking you are better than you are, or know better than others. A bit like Alan Pardew is accused of. So they vote to inflict misery on thousands. Without facing the hardship. Actually, a bit like yourself. You think you know better, because you worked there, but in reality, you were party to next to no information, apart from what you did for a job. You didn't like what you did, so you left. Now you have a chip on your shoulder. Did you leave? Or were you pushed? Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (19 Dec 2016 11.39pm)
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