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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 10.29pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

"Drivers on Southern Railway have overwhelmingly voted to strike in a dispute over driver-only trains.

The move raises the prospect of further travel disruption on Southern over the holiday period.

Members of the ASLEF union backed walkouts by 87% and other forms of action by 95%, with a turnout of 77%."


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Sack them, and there will be a queue round the block for applicants! Feckers don't know where their bread is buttered! Cnuts!

 


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7mins Flag In the bush 19 Dec 16 10.30pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

That may well be "the long term plan", but you cannot argue that ticket inspectors are being phased out. You said yourself that they need revenue to hit targets for bonuses. If the ticket inspectors job becomes the guards job, then the ticket inspectors job, as it is, will become redundant. So they will eventually become excess to requirements, the said reduction of workforce (90%)?) will reduce, and safety remains at it's current level.

Ticket inspectors are not needed, nor are ticket offices at some stations, I'm not against people losing their jobs (as sad as it is). Guards are needed, they are safety trained (SCB/TCOC/Dets/Isolation/ETC), that's why i'm against them being phased out... the CCTV isn't up to standard, any emergency or assistance protection (safety procedures) will involve drivers leaving a train unattended on the tracks with over 1200 people on it.
There are too many questions unanswered for me (and 94% of drivers) to think this is in any way safe.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 19 Dec 16 10.33pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Sack them, and there will be a queue round the block for applicants! Feckers don't know where their bread is buttered! Cnuts!

If you did that, you would have no trains for 18 months. Also drivers train new drivers. Also I can understand someone being against the strikes, but calling someone a cnut for giving up thousands in the name of safety, makes you look a bit thick/chavvy/drunk

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 19 Dec 16 11.01pm

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

That may well be "the long term plan", but you cannot argue that ticket inspectors are being phased out. You said yourself that they need revenue to hit targets for bonuses. If the ticket inspectors job becomes the guards job, then the ticket inspectors job, as it is, will become redundant. So they will eventually become excess to requirements, the said reduction of workforce (90%)?) will reduce, and safety remains at it's current level.

One could be forgiven for thinking you'd relish people losing their jobs. Particularly those that happen to be in a union. Brilliant. No more pesky workers holding employers to account.

I wonder what would happen.

Maybe like in the prison service where the union couldn't strike.
What happened in Birmingham Prison at the weekend was a result of the union being rendered toothless in their complaints about staffing levels.

But like the railways there's profits and dividends involved so H+S goes out of the window, probably helped by the health and safety gone mad narrative of the last couple of decades.


Yeah you've really thought it through.

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.15pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

Ticket inspectors are not needed, nor are ticket offices at some stations, I'm not against people losing their jobs (as sad as it is). Guards are needed, they are safety trained (SCB/TCOC/Dets/Isolation/ETC), that's why i'm against them being phased out... the CCTV isn't up to standard, any emergency or assistance protection (safety procedures) will involve drivers leaving a train unattended on the tracks with over 1200 people on it.
There are too many questions unanswered for me (and 94% of drivers) to think this is in any way safe.

You said they are needed so that Southern hit bonus targets. Make your mind up.

 


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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.16pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

If you did that, you would have no trains for 18 months. Also drivers train new drivers. Also I can understand someone being against the strikes, but calling someone a cnut for giving up thousands in the name of safety, makes you look a bit thick/chavvy/drunk

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I was being flippant. But I think they are being arrogant.

 


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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

One could be forgiven for thinking you'd relish people losing their jobs. Particularly those that happen to be in a union. Brilliant. No more pesky workers holding employers to account.

I wonder what would happen.

Maybe like in the prison service where the union couldn't strike.
What happened in Birmingham Prison at the weekend was a result of the union being rendered toothless in their complaints about staffing levels.

But like the railways there's profits and dividends involved so H+S goes out of the window, probably helped by the health and safety gone mad narrative of the last couple of decades.


Yeah you've really thought it through.

I don't relish people losing jobs, but if they are obsolete, they are necessary.

What do prisons have to do with this strike?

 


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7mins Flag In the bush 19 Dec 16 11.25pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

I don't relish people losing jobs, but if they are obsolete, they are necessary.

What do prisons have to do with this strike?

That's why I said I have no problem with ticket office etc losing their job.

Guards are safety trained, If Southern want rid, they should employ more platform staff to help with dispatch and upgrade the in cab cctv.

That's the minimum they should have done.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 19 Dec 16 11.27pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

I was being flippant. But I think they are being arrogant.

Arrogant???
Explain pls?

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.29pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

That's why I said I have no problem with ticket office etc losing their job.

Guards are safety trained, If Southern want rid, they should employ more platform staff to help with dispatch and upgrade the in cab cctv.

That's the minimum they should have done.

Can't the retained guards do that? Or is it beneath them?

 


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7mins Flag In the bush 19 Dec 16 11.32pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Can't the retained guards do that? Or is it beneath them?

Yes they could, and I have no idea if the guards think it is beneath (thought it a silly question to be honest)

But the above is a moot point, as Southern have no intention to retrain them.

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Dec 16 11.33pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

Arrogant???
Explain pls?

Arrogance. Thinking you are better than you are, or know better than others. A bit like Alan Pardew is accused of. So they vote to inflict misery on thousands. Without facing the hardship.

Actually, a bit like yourself. You think you know better, because you worked there, but in reality, you were party to next to no information, apart from what you did for a job. You didn't like what you did, so you left. Now you have a chip on your shoulder. Did you leave? Or were you pushed?

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