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kinky1960 Hampshire 02 Jan 11 6.50pm | |
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Quote NEILLO at 02 Jan 2011 11.11am
Who would be a football club owner ? Not only does it almost certainly mean you have to be prepared to part with millions of your own hard earned money and expect never to see it again, but trying to please fans that have different expectations. You truly can't win. Steve Parish jointly saved our club. He then - uniquely - decides to interact with the fans via this site and the BBS....and then gets critisised by some for doing so ! Incredible ! The questions re GB being given the sack were answered carefully and I thought left GB with his dignity intact. If my boss had sacked me and then had to publicly discuss it, that would be the way I would want it handled. Those that referred to GB's alleged drinking habits are deluding themselves if they thought SP would rise to that bait by even alluding to it. And if GB enjoyed a drink and Palace were top of the league would there be any reference to it at all ? For obvious reasons SP couldn't say too much about the next appointment - it is unrealistic to expect him to. And of course he is going to be selective with the questions he answered...he'd still be on here now if he's answered every one fully, and while it's all very well asking '' Juicy '' questions, there is only so much that can be revealed about what happens behind closed doors in any business. Football is of course a game of opinions and I respect other people's point of view....but I don't understand how some on here can accuse SP and Co of making a '' knee jerk '' decision. Look at our league position, away record and points tally. That's done and can't be changed. Then look at the manager and ask yourself if you think he's capable of turning things around. I saw nothing to suggest he could. And the Board - who work closely with the manager and have daily contact with him - clearly didn't either. So SP comes on here, accepts part of the blame himself as he appointed GB -and gets accused of making a snap decision. In my opinion the only thing he got wrong was the timing - I would have done it a few weeks back. Would GB have kept his job if we had won yesterday ? - probably, as that would have been a huge result for us and may have been an indication that we had turned a corner. Instead it was another limp performance, another hiding. There has to be a cut off point when you decide enough is enough. Those pro-Burley folks on here that have been saying we should back the manager / 2010 should get over their disappointment and now get behind SP and Co. in what happens next. I fully supported their decision to appoint GB, but I've struggled for a couple of months now to keep that support from waning. So, another new start. The incoming manager faces a huge task to keep us in the Championship due to our points tally and goal difference. But there is the nucleus of a half decent team already in place. It just needs organising properly so that we become more robust and harder to beat. Sorry for the length of this post....good luck tomorrow Dougie, SP I wish you all the best in identifying the right man, to all my fellow fans I wish you a Happy New Year and hope that we can be united in the support of our great club.
To those of you who "sabotagued" this thread with point scoring arguments between you, please think before posting. It makes an interesting read into a loathsome one. Some people need a reality check.
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eritheagle Erith 02 Jan 11 6.54pm | |
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We will survive if our away form improves. We're not too bad at home and have all the teamsdown the bottom with us still to come to Selhurst.
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Johnny Byrne Pinner 02 Jan 11 6.58pm | |
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Quote eritheagle at 02 Jan 2011 6.54pm
We will survive if our away form improves. We're not too bad at home and have all the teamsdown the bottom with us still to come to Selhurst.
The senior players need now to welcome new additions and ensure the squad gels and Dougie a chance.
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Ard1 Holmesdale Lower, Block A 02 Jan 11 7.07pm | |
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Reading some of these posts criticising Steve for coming on the boards to talk to the fans has really p*ssed me off. Boilerboy in particular, and Prin. Prin, he was stating facts for why he sacked Burley - there was nothing in there disrespectful. Boilerboy, he is a businessman - and owner of the club, he is in that position because he is successful. Now I dont know your background, but correct me if I am wrong, you didnt step forward to buy the club - so what makes you think you can give him advice on what he can and cant do. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the minority keyboard warriors trying to make a name for themselves could stop the forward thinking approach of our new owners and I for one wish they would shut up.
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Eaglesnut Waterford 02 Jan 11 7.07pm | |
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I, like thousands of Palace fans, have untold questions we'd like answers to. SP has been quite candid on his replies here but we must realise that he also holds some cards close to his chest & is unable to tell us everything we'd like to know. There is no doubt in my mind that the ownership & upper management team are working hard to make the club successful and we all know these things take time. Let's give the club, players, backroom staff & the new manager (whoever it turns out to be) our fullest support and cheer them on to, hopefully, survival this season then on to better things in the years to come.
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no 1 eagle Liverpool 02 Jan 11 7.17pm | |
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Im a striker and a right winger. Would u send a scout to come and watch me
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sydtheeagle England 02 Jan 11 7.25pm | |
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I don't agree with a lot of Neillo's observations and comments but it was a lucid and cogent presentation of his views. My responses would be: "Who would be a football club owner ? Not only does it almost certainly mean you have to be prepared to part with millions of your own hard earned money and expect never to see it again, but trying to please fans that have different expectations. You truly can't win." The answer to this is simple: people who want to own a football club. There's no point buying a house in Hounslow if you don't like the sound of jumbo jets taking off, after all, and it's not like you're not getting involved with your eyes open when you buy your local team. People who would be football club owners are generally flamboyant, like the limelight, crave and enjoy attention, and don't mind spending their own money for the privilege. Though Steve Parrish, Ron Noades, Simon Jordan, and Mark Goldberg were very different individuals, all shared those traits. In a word, people who would be football club owners are highly ego-driven. They do it for themselves, not to please the fans -- and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, lest you assume I'm being critical when I'm not. So of course they win...do you think Steve doesn't enjoy the game he's playing and the role he has now? Of course he bloody does. Turning up on HoL at 10pm on a Saturday night shows you exactly how much. Steve Parish jointly saved our club. He then - uniquely - decides to interact with the fans via this site and the BBS....and then gets critisised by some for doing so ! Incredible ! He's neither the first nor the last sports team owner to speak directly to the supporters. I would agree that he is in a minority, but what he did is far from unique. That is not to discredit him for doing it, but merely to state a fact. With regard to getting criticised, I'm sorry, but you open your mouth and participate in an exchange and in my book that makes you fair game. We should not be expected to go mute simply because Steve speaks to us. The questions re GB being given the sack were answered carefully and I thought left GB with his dignity intact. If my boss had sacked me and then had to publicly discuss it, that would be the way I would want it handled. I thought they were handled minimally and dismissively, myself. And if my boss had sacked me, I would prefer that he kept both his own and my dignity intact by making no comment on the situation in public whatsoever. Put simply, it wasn't necessary for anything to be said about the departure. Those that referred to GB's alleged drinking habits are deluding themselves if they thought SP would rise to that bait by even alluding to it. And if GB enjoyed a drink and Palace were top of the league would there be any reference to it at all ? I agree with your first point. I disagree with the second one. I wouldn't want a successful alcoholic or an unsuccessful alcoholic running my club equally because either way, it would only end in tears. For proof, see Clough, Brian. For obvious reasons SP couldn't say too much about the next appointment - it is unrealistic to expect him to. And of course he is going to be selective with the questions he answered...he'd still be on here now if he's answered every one fully, and while it's all very well asking '' Juicy '' questions, there is only so much that can be revealed about what happens behind closed doors in any business. You're quite right, so as he had neither the ability nor the intention of saying anything that was substantive or really interesting, why come on in the first place? For the answer, see my response to your first point. Because he had a captive audience and owning a football club is all about ego is why. What Steve has is people's attention, and like any self-respecting marketer, last night he used it. Football is of course a game of opinions and I respect other people's point of view....but I don't understand how some on here can accuse SP and Co of making a '' knee jerk '' decision. Look at our league position, away record and points tally. That's done and can't be changed. Then look at the manager and ask yourself if you think he's capable of turning things around. I saw nothing to suggest he could. Although I personally wouldn't have fired Burley I agree with your observations above and I don't think the decision was a knee-jerk one. I'm quite sure the owners laboured long and hard over it, even if I think they ended up in the wrong place. Those pro-Burley folks on here that have been saying we should back the manager / 2010 should get over their disappointment and now get behind SP and Co. in what happens next. I Agree, and I hope most will. But there is the nucleus of a half decent team already in place. It just needs organising properly so that we become more robust and harder to beat. I hope this is true but I'm not so sure it is. The table doesn't lie. Good post, Neillo. We might not see the world the same way but that's what makes it interesting.
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Prin_cpfc Thornton Heath 02 Jan 11 7.33pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Jan 2011 7.25pm
I don't agree with a lot of Neillo's observations and comments but it was a lucid and cogent presentation of his views. My responses would be: "Who would be a football club owner ? Not only does it almost certainly mean you have to be prepared to part with millions of your own hard earned money and expect never to see it again, but trying to please fans that have different expectations. You truly can't win." The answer to this is simple: people who want to own a football club. There's no point buying a house in Hounslow if you don't like the sound of jumbo jets taking off, after all, and it's not like you're not getting involved with your eyes open when you buy your local team. People who would be football club owners are generally flamboyant, like the limelight, crave and enjoy attention, and don't mind spending their own money for the privilege. Though Steve Parrish, Ron Noades, Simon Jordan, and Mark Goldberg were very different individuals, all shared those traits. In a word, people who would be football club owners are highly ego-driven. They do it for themselves, not to please the fans -- and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, lest you assume I'm being critical when I'm not. So of course they win...do you think Steve doesn't enjoy the game he's playing and the role he has now? Of course he bloody does. Turning up on HoL at 10pm on a Saturday night shows you exactly how much. Steve Parish jointly saved our club. He then - uniquely - decides to interact with the fans via this site and the BBS....and then gets critisised by some for doing so ! Incredible ! He's neither the first nor the last sports team owner to speak directly to the supporters. I would agree that he is in a minority, but what he did is far from unique. That is not to discredit him for doing it, but merely to state a fact. With regard to getting criticised, I'm sorry, but you open your mouth and participate in an exchange and in my book that makes you fair game. We should not be expected to go mute simply because Steve speaks to us. I thought they were handled minimally and dismissively, myself. And if my boss had sacked me, I would prefer that he kept both his own and my dignity intact by making no comment on the situation in public whatsoever. Put simply, it wasn't necessary for anything to be said about the departure. Those that referred to GB's alleged drinking habits are deluding themselves if they thought SP would rise to that bait by even alluding to it. And if GB enjoyed a drink and Palace were top of the league would there be any reference to it at all ? I agree with your first point. I disagree with the second one. I wouldn't want a successful alcoholic or an unsuccessful alcoholic running my club equally because either way, it would only end in tears. For proof, see Clough, Brian. For obvious reasons SP couldn't say too much about the next appointment - it is unrealistic to expect him to. And of course he is going to be selective with the questions he answered...he'd still be on here now if he's answered every one fully, and while it's all very well asking '' Juicy '' questions, there is only so much that can be revealed about what happens behind closed doors in any business. You're quite right, so as he had neither the ability nor the intention of saying anything that was substantive or really interesting, why come on in the first place? For the answer, see my response to your first point. Because he had a captive audience and owning a football club is all about ego is why. What Steve has is people's attention, and like any self-respecting marketer, last night he used it. Football is of course a game of opinions and I respect other people's point of view....but I don't understand how some on here can accuse SP and Co of making a '' knee jerk '' decision. Look at our league position, away record and points tally. That's done and can't be changed. Then look at the manager and ask yourself if you think he's capable of turning things around. I saw nothing to suggest he could. Although I personally wouldn't have fired Burley I agree with your observations above and I don't think the decision was a knee-jerk one. I'm quite sure the owners laboured long and hard over it, even if I think they ended up in the wrong place. Those pro-Burley folks on here that have been saying we should back the manager / 2010 should get over their disappointment and now get behind SP and Co. in what happens next. I Agree, and I hope most will. But there is the nucleus of a half decent team already in place. It just needs organising properly so that we become more robust and harder to beat. I hope this is true but I'm not so sure it is. The table doesn't lie. Good post, Neillo. We might not see the world the same way but that's what makes it interesting.
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Bekken 02 Jan 11 7.35pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Jan 2011 7.25pm
I don't agree with a lot of Neillo's observations and comments but it was a lucid and cogent presentation of his views. My responses would be: "Who would be a football club owner ? Not only does it almost certainly mean you have to be prepared to part with millions of your own hard earned money and expect never to see it again, but trying to please fans that have different expectations. You truly can't win." The answer to this is simple: people who want to own a football club. There's no point buying a house in Hounslow if you don't like the sound of jumbo jets taking off, after all, and it's not like you're not getting involved with your eyes open when you buy your local team. People who would be football club owners are generally flamboyant, like the limelight, crave and enjoy attention, and don't mind spending their own money for the privilege. Though Steve Parrish, Ron Noades, Simon Jordan, and Mark Goldberg were very different individuals, all shared those traits. In a word, people who would be football club owners are highly ego-driven. They do it for themselves, not to please the fans -- and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, lest you assume I'm being critical when I'm not. So of course they win...do you think Steve doesn't enjoy the game he's playing and the role he has now? Of course he bloody does. Turning up on HoL at 10pm on a Saturday night shows you exactly how much. Steve Parish jointly saved our club. He then - uniquely - decides to interact with the fans via this site and the BBS....and then gets critisised by some for doing so ! Incredible ! He's neither the first nor the last sports team owner to speak directly to the supporters. I would agree that he is in a minority, but what he did is far from unique. That is not to discredit him for doing it, but merely to state a fact. With regard to getting criticised, I'm sorry, but you open your mouth and participate in an exchange and in my book that makes you fair game. We should not be expected to go mute simply because Steve speaks to us. The questions re GB being given the sack were answered carefully and I thought left GB with his dignity intact. If my boss had sacked me and then had to publicly discuss it, that would be the way I would want it handled. I thought they were handled minimally and dismissively, myself. And if my boss had sacked me, I would prefer that he kept both his own and my dignity intact by making no comment on the situation in public whatsoever. Put simply, it wasn't necessary for anything to be said about the departure. Those that referred to GB's alleged drinking habits are deluding themselves if they thought SP would rise to that bait by even alluding to it. And if GB enjoyed a drink and Palace were top of the league would there be any reference to it at all ? I agree with your first point. I disagree with the second one. I wouldn't want a successful alcoholic or an unsuccessful alcoholic running my club equally because either way, it would only end in tears. For proof, see Clough, Brian. For obvious reasons SP couldn't say too much about the next appointment - it is unrealistic to expect him to. And of course he is going to be selective with the questions he answered...he'd still be on here now if he's answered every one fully, and while it's all very well asking '' Juicy '' questions, there is only so much that can be revealed about what happens behind closed doors in any business. You're quite right, so as he had neither the ability nor the intention of saying anything that was substantive or really interesting, why come on in the first place? For the answer, see my response to your first point. Because he had a captive audience and owning a football club is all about ego is why. What Steve has is people's attention, and like any self-respecting marketer, last night he used it. Football is of course a game of opinions and I respect other people's point of view....but I don't understand how some on here can accuse SP and Co of making a '' knee jerk '' decision. Look at our league position, away record and points tally. That's done and can't be changed. Then look at the manager and ask yourself if you think he's capable of turning things around. I saw nothing to suggest he could. Although I personally wouldn't have fired Burley I agree with your observations above and I don't think the decision was a knee-jerk one. I'm quite sure the owners laboured long and hard over it, even if I think they ended up in the wrong place. Those pro-Burley folks on here that have been saying we should back the manager / 2010 should get over their disappointment and now get behind SP and Co. in what happens next. I Agree, and I hope most will. But there is the nucleus of a half decent team already in place. It just needs organising properly so that we become more robust and harder to beat. I hope this is true but I'm not so sure it is. The table doesn't lie. Good post, Neillo. We might not see the world the same way but that's what makes it interesting.
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boilerboy st neots 02 Jan 11 7.37pm | |
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Ard1 For your information I used to own a non league football club so I do have experience of running a football club, and we built a brand new 6.7 million pound stadium. You never discuss player budgets or make personal remarks about your staff on a public forum. If you want a Q&A evening then this should be a professional organized event. But just my thoughts.
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sydtheeagle England 02 Jan 11 7.40pm | |
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Quote Prin_cpfc at 02 Jan 2011 7.33pm
bold bit made me chuckle I'm falling in love.
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SW2Eagle London 02 Jan 11 7.42pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Jan 2011 7.25pm
I don't agree with a lot of Neillo's observations and comments but it was a lucid and cogent presentation of his views. My responses would be: "Who would be a football club owner ? Not only does it almost certainly mean you have to be prepared to part with millions of your own hard earned money and expect never to see it again, but trying to please fans that have different expectations. You truly can't win." The answer to this is simple: people who want to own a football club. There's no point buying a house in Hounslow if you don't like the sound of jumbo jets taking off, after all, and it's not like you're not getting involved with your eyes open when you buy your local team. People who would be football club owners are generally flamboyant, like the limelight, crave and enjoy attention, and don't mind spending their own money for the privilege. Though Steve Parrish, Ron Noades, Simon Jordan, and Mark Goldberg were very different individuals, all shared those traits. In a word, people who would be football club owners are highly ego-driven. They do it for themselves, not to please the fans -- and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, lest you assume I'm being critical when I'm not. So of course they win...do you think Steve doesn't enjoy the game he's playing and the role he has now? Of course he bloody does. Turning up on HoL at 10pm on a Saturday night shows you exactly how much. Steve Parish jointly saved our club. He then - uniquely - decides to interact with the fans via this site and the BBS....and then gets critisised by some for doing so ! Incredible ! He's neither the first nor the last sports team owner to speak directly to the supporters. I would agree that he is in a minority, but what he did is far from unique. That is not to discredit him for doing it, but merely to state a fact. With regard to getting criticised, I'm sorry, but you open your mouth and participate in an exchange and in my book that makes you fair game. We should not be expected to go mute simply because Steve speaks to us. The questions re GB being given the sack were answered carefully and I thought left GB with his dignity intact. If my boss had sacked me and then had to publicly discuss it, that would be the way I would want it handled. I thought they were handled minimally and dismissively, myself. And if my boss had sacked me, I would prefer that he kept both his own and my dignity intact by making no comment on the situation in public whatsoever. Put simply, it wasn't necessary for anything to be said about the departure. Those that referred to GB's alleged drinking habits are deluding themselves if they thought SP would rise to that bait by even alluding to it. And if GB enjoyed a drink and Palace were top of the league would there be any reference to it at all ? I agree with your first point. I disagree with the second one. I wouldn't want a successful alcoholic or an unsuccessful alcoholic running my club equally because either way, it would only end in tears. For proof, see Clough, Brian. For obvious reasons SP couldn't say too much about the next appointment - it is unrealistic to expect him to. And of course he is going to be selective with the questions he answered...he'd still be on here now if he's answered every one fully, and while it's all very well asking '' Juicy '' questions, there is only so much that can be revealed about what happens behind closed doors in any business. You're quite right, so as he had neither the ability nor the intention of saying anything that was substantive or really interesting, why come on in the first place? For the answer, see my response to your first point. Because he had a captive audience and owning a football club is all about ego is why. What Steve has is people's attention, and like any self-respecting marketer, last night he used it. Football is of course a game of opinions and I respect other people's point of view....but I don't understand how some on here can accuse SP and Co of making a '' knee jerk '' decision. Look at our league position, away record and points tally. That's done and can't be changed. Then look at the manager and ask yourself if you think he's capable of turning things around. I saw nothing to suggest he could. Although I personally wouldn't have fired Burley I agree with your observations above and I don't think the decision was a knee-jerk one. I'm quite sure the owners laboured long and hard over it, even if I think they ended up in the wrong place. Those pro-Burley folks on here that have been saying we should back the manager / 2010 should get over their disappointment and now get behind SP and Co. in what happens next. I Agree, and I hope most will. But there is the nucleus of a half decent team already in place. It just needs organising properly so that we become more robust and harder to beat. I hope this is true but I'm not so sure it is. The table doesn't lie. Good post, Neillo. We might not see the world the same way but that's what makes it interesting.
And I agree - Neillo's certainly made the effort to make a series of reasoned and considered points. One of only a few, I'm afraid. There is always an element of soap opera within football and, at times like this, we have little option to embrace the drama and look forward to the next episode - Tomorrow at 3pm I believe.
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