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Stirlingsays 06 Mar 24 10.35am | |
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'Publishing or distributing material intending to stir up racial hatred. Encouraging or assisting the commission of the offence of racially aggravated criminal damage.' Putting up stickers is definitely promoting a viewpoint. 'intending to stir up racial hatred' is what I'd regard as an extreme interpretation of that. As is 'racially aggravated criminal damage'. In my view there is a reason the media have been low key on this...because a lot of people view this as extreme state driven directed prosecution at a white person whereas if he'd been from another group he wouldn't have been touched. Most parties or groups stick up stickers or distribute leaflets, the communists do it, antifa do it. Many viewpoints are expressed by all sides that probably cause disquiet to people all the time. Nothing is done precisely as to do so is ridiculous. I've seen an image of the judge who sat on this case (no doubt carefully selected). The image is of him with a raised fist in front of a statue of Nelson Mandela. Mandela as most know led a terror bombing campaign where people died and suffered life altering injuries. The ANC put up plenty of propaganda. The ANC were very happy to stir racial hatred....funny how the western media and this judge had no issues with that. The guy he sent down for two years wasn't advocating for violence but just stating reality from his perspective. My country is captured by traitors to its own people. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Mar 2024 10.38am)
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georgenorman 06 Mar 24 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I don’t make that argument the one reaching the depths is yourself. Wisbelch says that he did not say what he said, shock horror.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Mar 24 10.39am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I am aware of his ideology, but this is not relevant to the so called crimes committed. I could be a jihadist bent on creating a caliphate in the UK through violence, but if all I did was whistle a tune in public my belief does not, of itself, make the whistling criminal (though the atonal din could amount to a public order offence). Nor should the fact that he committed the acts online and anonymously aggravate the act. It is the act itself that needs to be viewed. What he did was carefully word a sticker to restate a statistic. If there is credible evidence to support the fact that white people will be in a minority by 2066, then he has merely stated a supportable fact. Of course, it is a fact laced with opinion about race, but not of the emotionally charged nature the po-faced copper was leading us to believe; and certainly not one warranting the waste of public resources on an expensive criminal prosecution. And as to the "racially motivated criminal damage", that was the damage to the lampposts and so on where the stickers were proposed to be placed. In a culture where rapists are allowed to roam through failures in the judicial system, I am actually embarrassed that officers of the law and the courts have used an emotive phrase such as this to describe something akin to somebody putting up posters of their missing cat. This man is a raging nutter that was always heading for hooky. But not for this. One has to assume that this was just an excuse to put a man away who they considered to be dangerous. It would be a dark day indeed if you could be imprisoned simply for stating an extrapolation. Loons can still be right about some things. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Mar 2024 7.38pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Mar 24 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Publishing or distributing material intending to stir up racial hatred. Encouraging or assisting the commission of the offence of racially aggravated criminal damage.' Putting up stickers is definitely promoting a viewpoint. 'intending to stir up racial hatred' is what I'd regard as an extreme interpretation of that. As is 'racially aggravated criminal damage'. In my view there is a reason the media have been low key on this...because a lot of people view this as extreme state driven directed prosecution at a white person whereas if he'd been from another group he wouldn't have been touched. Most parties or groups stick up stickers or distribute leaflets, the communists do it, antifa do it. Many viewpoints are expressed by all sides that probably cause disquiet to people all the time. Nothing is done precisely as to do so is ridiculous. I've seen an image of the judge who sat on this case (no doubt carefully selected). The image is of him with a raised fist in front of a statue of Nelson Mandela. Mandela as most know led a terror bombing campaign where people died and suffered life altering injuries. The ANC put up plenty of propaganda. The ANC were very happy to stir racial hatred....funny how the western media and this judge had no issues with that. The guy he sent down for two years wasn't advocating for violence but just stating reality from his perspective. My country is captured by traitors to its own people. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Mar 2024 10.38am) What did Powell say about the whip hand?
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Stirlingsays 06 Mar 24 10.43am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I am aware of his ideology, but this is not relevant to the so called crimes committed. I could be a jihadist bent on creating a caliphate in the UK through violence, but if all I did was whistle a tune in public my belief does not, of itself, make the whistling criminal (though the atonal din could amount to a public order offence). Nor should the fact that he committed the acts online and anonymously aggravate the act. It is the act itself that needs to be viewed. What he did was carefully word a sticker to restate a statistic. If there is credible evidence to support the fact that white people will be in a minority by 2066, then he has merely stated a supportable fact. Of course, it is a fact laced with opinion about race, but not of the emotionally charged nature the po-faced copper was leading us to believe; and certainly not one warranting the waste of public resources on an expensive criminal prosecution. And as to the "racially motivated criminal damage", that was the damage to the lampposts and so on where the stickers were proposed to be placed. In a culture where rapists are allowed to roam through failures in the judicial system, I am actually embarrassed that officers of the law and the courts have used an emotive phrase such as this to describe something akin to somebody putting up posters of their missing cat. This man is a raging nutter that was always heading for hooky. But not for this. Well put.
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Stirlingsays 06 Mar 24 10.45am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What did Powell say about the whip hand? Indeed. He was far brighter than most...should have led us.
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Matov 06 Mar 24 7.57pm | |
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No comments on the budget? LOL. A pre-GE budget. You know the kind where you bring in the tax cuts? LOL. What we get is a tiny cut in NI, and abolishing Nom-Dom status. Almost as if the Torys don't want to make things to hard for Labour. Believe me now about these Tory f***ers deliberately throwing the next election? I hope they are wiped out.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Mar 24 8.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
No comments on the budget? LOL. A pre-GE budget. You know the kind where you bring in the tax cuts? LOL. What we get is a tiny cut in NI, and abolishing Nom-Dom status. Almost as if the Torys don't want to make things to hard for Labour. Believe me now about these Tory f***ers deliberately throwing the next election? I hope they are wiped out. Are we sure this is a genuine pre election budget? I sense it could stretch till the autumn. Hunt could have a few more tricks up his sleeve.
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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Mar 24 8.39pm | |
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Labour much criticised over non-dom as a plank of it's policy. But you can see why, the government of the day will simply pinch it. As it is, it doesn't bring in much, so it's not a great loss. Also, it will probably not be implemented. There is also a 4 year 'holiday' up-front so Sunak & co will be unaffected.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Mar 24 9.06pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Wisbelch says that he did not say what he said, shock horror. Show me where you think I did! Then I’ll show you why you are wrong.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Mar 24 9.24pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I am aware of his ideology, but this is not relevant to the so called crimes committed. I could be a jihadist bent on creating a caliphate in the UK through violence, but if all I did was whistle a tune in public my belief does not, of itself, make the whistling criminal (though the atonal din could amount to a public order offence). Nor should the fact that he committed the acts online and anonymously aggravate the act. It is the act itself that needs to be viewed. What he did was carefully word a sticker to restate a statistic. If there is credible evidence to support the fact that white people will be in a minority by 2066, then he has merely stated a supportable fact. Of course, it is a fact laced with opinion about race, but not of the emotionally charged nature the po-faced copper was leading us to believe; and certainly not one warranting the waste of public resources on an expensive criminal prosecution. And as to the "racially motivated criminal damage", that was the damage to the lampposts and so on where the stickers were proposed to be placed. In a culture where rapists are allowed to roam through failures in the judicial system, I am actually embarrassed that officers of the law and the courts have used an emotive phrase such as this to describe something akin to somebody putting up posters of their missing cat. This man is a raging nutter that was always heading for hooky. But not for this. He wasn’t convicted for a sticker. He was found guilty of and jailed for:- Publishing or distributing material intending to stir up racial hatred. That requires proof. The kind of defence you raise would have been made. It was obviously rejected as a result of contradictory evidence. You might think putting posters on lampposts about missing cats falls into the same territory as that which he did but neither you, nor I, have seen the actual evidence. I know from personal experience that evil criminals are given every opportunity to justify themselves and that the law leans over backwards in allowing them the benefit of doubt. So we must assume that for him to be found guilty and given a 2 year sentence that there must have been a lot of evidence.
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silvertop Portishead 06 Mar 24 9.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He wasn’t convicted for a sticker. He was found guilty of and jailed for:- Publishing or distributing material intending to stir up racial hatred. That requires proof. The kind of defence you raise would have been made. It was obviously rejected as a result of contradictory evidence. You might think putting posters on lampposts about missing cats falls into the same territory as that which he did but neither you, nor I, have seen the actual evidence. I know from personal experience that evil criminals are given every opportunity to justify themselves and that the law leans over backwards in allowing them the benefit of doubt. So we must assume that for him to be found guilty and given a 2 year sentence that there must have been a lot of evidence. I have addressed the crimes charged above. On reflection I suspect the long sentence may reflect previous offences. Doesn't alter my view though.
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