On the contrary, I am most often careful to put across what I say as a possibility and something that is worth noting as an aspect of what is occurring. In contrast to that there are a great number of things stated as fact in the thread that clearly are not. If comments fall on one side of some kind of imagined 'side' they're not questioned in the slightest not matter how out there they are and are often applauded, if they're on the other the magnifying glass comes out. It's more about protecting an adopted position than honest appraisal.

Case in point, I'm not vilifying individuals I've never even mentioned, let alone commented on. Saying that using sources such as two year old websites that look like they've been created in a basement overnight is certainly a comment on the platform, but very obviously not every individual that that is ever mentioned on it. 'Of course' there are schools of thought, the one person above I did comment on, Michael Yeadon, I said that I agreed with him that there are some false positives, but thought it was silly when he said early on that they might 'all' be false positives. Sounds like a balanced take to me, rather than vilifying. As usual on here though displaying a level of balance holds little value.

I don't recall you reeling off the credentials of those who held a stance or opinion you disagree with and holding back or respecting their position as result. Many of the studies and thoughts in recent articles I've posted have been contributed to by multiple respiratory experts. You just rubbish them like you do everything else that doesn't fit what you'd prefer to hear.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Sep 2020 8.34pm)

I could be described as centre left and i always thought it was the hard right that were government housekeepers ,and i certainly don"t trust the CONS so i"m afraid i have to disagree with W"s post!

Ta fella.
Dont be a stranger to giving your opinion.
I would like to be wrong on every point I've supported and made on this thread.
It goes against a majority, on here.
I would though still like to know why there would be any mileage for global governments to ostracize their voting base? It's clear if; as some say it's about control it isnt working so the first question still stands.

why are governments worldwide prepared to do what they're doing. Are they all stupid or is there more to do with this than many seem to know about.
What freedoms have you lost then,I mean really lost.
Cant go pub, avoid close contact with family and friends, get paid for not working. All to protect those with a to date non identified illness potentially.

Several reasons along the lines of

They’re in so deep they can’t get out of it

They don’t have an exit strategy. Tories don’t. Labour is flawed based on test/trace that’s faulty and would require testing everyone constantly to the point you may as well lockdown

They do things like masks because enough call for it and it’s better to do it than not and be blamed with ‘its because you didn’t’

They could be threatening lockdown to either withdraw it a la ‘Yes Minister’ so we get the good news after the leaked bad news.
Or they don’t lockdown and never intended to because they know it’s pointless, or could make the situation worse but definitely poorer. They can then say they intended to but didn’t because it wasn’t what the country wanted after leaked by govt in the media.

I don’t go in for conspiracy theories. They just don’t have a clue because there’s no exit strategy or aim with what they’re doing. Oh and the govt has inexperienced people at the top andcwithout the credentials and used an excel modeller with an awful record in virus predictions it’s criminal yet got so spooked by him it’s why they got in so deep and sent the delicate character types into a permanent state of neurosis.

COYP

As I have said numerous times, it's near impossible that a vaccine would be 100% effective and that more realistically we'd be looking at something that would be effective in a decent proportion of people and or reduce the most severe cases. It's likely with so many candidates that there will be a somewhat effective vaccine out before long. Expect to see Mr Trump pushing it too, and since there is a pointlessly political tinge to it all attitudes will probably change in favour of it on some fronts due to that.

If you took the time to think about why I posted what I did to Cryst, it was because Cryst and his family are already all working and hence whatever danger and health issues combo is present, it is what it is. The point of my message was to say that there are already better treatments for the worse cases and that vaccine would be another tool in the toolkit to offer a degree of protection and reduce concerns. That's pretty much why people get their flu jab each year too, though in this case, an effective covid-19 jab would likely be magnitudes more important to some demographics.

In any case, as I had said to Cryst, I don't think it's useful for me to add much more. Just wanted to answer your reply to me so good luck and good health to you and yours over the coming months.