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legaleagle 18 Mar 17 10.18am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 True. Also, the creation of a National Health Service was in the 1945 Tory Election Manifesto: "The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation; and to introduce legislation for this purpose in the new Parliament." If anyone was the "father" of the NHS,it was another of your bogey people...a liberal,William Beveridge. The Tories had it in the manifesto because after the war people were determined never to go back to the Tory-assisted misery of the 30's...so the Tories had to adopt some things like that so as not to be completely laughed out of towm.. As it was,they still had no chance,made even worse by Churchill's despicable "Gestapo" jibe at Labour.. Doncha just love those right wingers who spread ridiculous knee jerk slags of Labour of that kind? Edited by legaleagle (18 Mar 2017 10.19am)
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18 Mar 17 10.18am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

True. Also, the creation of a National Health Service was in the 1945 Tory Election Manifesto: "The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them.
We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation; and to introduce legislation for this purpose in the new Parliament."

If anyone was the "father" of the NHS,it was another of your bogey people...a liberal,William Beveridge.

The Tories had it in the manifesto because after the war people were determined never to go back to the Tory-assisted misery of the 30's...so the Tories had to adopt some things like that so as not to be completely laughed out of towm..

As it was,they still had no chance,made even worse by Churchill's despicable "Gestapo" jibe at Labour..

Doncha just love those right wingers who spread ridiculous knee jerk slags of Labour of that kind?

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 10.28am
Originally posted by Kermit8 That's correct. The left was wrong about universal education, the NHS, employee protection, safety at work, paid holiday time, minimum wage, environmental awareness (cleaner rivers,etc), so there is absolutely no way you should trust them about anything. Ever. That's a bit of a stretch for the Left to claim the entire credit for all that. Most of what you list either evolved over many years or was the result of personal crusades or practical need. Even if a bill was introduced during a Labour government like Michael Foot did with the 1974 Health and Safety at work act, it had to be approved by the house without a majority of Labour MP's. So what I'm really saying is.... do shut up.
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Originally posted by Kermit8

That's correct. The left was wrong about universal education, the NHS, employee protection, safety at work, paid holiday time, minimum wage, environmental awareness (cleaner rivers,etc), so there is absolutely no way you should trust them about anything. Ever.

That's a bit of a stretch for the Left to claim the entire credit for all that.

Most of what you list either evolved over many years or was the result of personal crusades or practical need.
Even if a bill was introduced during a Labour government like Michael Foot did with the 1974 Health and Safety at work act, it had to be approved by the house without a majority of Labour MP's.

So what I'm really saying is.... do shut up.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 10.41am
Originally posted by legaleagle If anyone was the "father" of the NHS,it was another of your bogey people...a liberal,William Beveridge. The Tories had it in the manifesto because after the war people were determined never to go back to the Tory-assisted misery of the 30's...so the Tories had to adopt some things like that so as not to be completely laughed out of towm.. As it was,they still had no chance,made even worse by Churchill's despicable "Gestapo" jibe at Labour.. Doncha just love those right wingers who spread ridiculous knee jerk slags of Labour of that kind? Edited by legaleagle (18 Mar 2017 10.19am) Similar to Bevan's "lower than vermin" jibe you mean? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Mar 17 10.41am

Originally posted by legaleagle

If anyone was the "father" of the NHS,it was another of your bogey people...a liberal,William Beveridge.

As it was,they still had no chance,made even worse by Churchill's despicable "Gestapo" jibe at Labour..

Doncha just love those right wingers who spread ridiculous knee jerk slags of Labour of that kind?

Edited by legaleagle (18 Mar 2017 10.19am)

Similar to Bevan's "lower than vermin" jibe you mean?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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legaleagle 18 Mar 17 10.55am
He said: " What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin".
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18 Mar 17 10.55am

He said: " What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin".

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 11.02am
Originally posted by legaleagle He said: " What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin". The sort of reasonable thought process we have come to expect from the left.
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18 Mar 17 11.02am

Originally posted by legaleagle

The sort of reasonable thought process we have come to expect from the left.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 11.06am
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's very tempting as London prices are absurd and my countrymen are no longer tolerant or nice. I am ok speaking day to day German or passable italian but just cannot 'get' french. Of course the concept of the Union is French. Please don't let that stop you. I have been to France many times and got by with almost no French.
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18 Mar 17 11.06am

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's very tempting as London prices are absurd and my countrymen are no longer tolerant or nice.

I am ok speaking day to day German or passable italian but just cannot 'get' french.

Of course the concept of the Union is French.

Please don't let that stop you.

I have been to France many times and got by with almost no French.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.12am
Originally posted by legaleagle He said: " What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin". And Churchill said: “No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance. And this would nip opinion in the bud; it would stop criticism as it reared its head, and it would gather all the power to the supreme party and the party leaders, rising like stately pinnacles above their vast bureaucracies of Civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil.” We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.12am

Originally posted by legaleagle

And Churchill said: “No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance. And this would nip opinion in the bud; it would stop criticism as it reared its head, and it would gather all the power to the supreme party and the party leaders, rising like stately pinnacles above their vast bureaucracies of Civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil.”

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.19am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 And Churchill said: “No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance. And this would nip opinion in the bud; it would stop criticism as it reared its head, and it would gather all the power to the supreme party and the party leaders, rising like stately pinnacles above their vast bureaucracies of Civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil.” Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan. Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work. I can't think of any social advances under the tories. Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am)
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Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.19am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan.

Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work.

I can't think of any social advances under the tories.

Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.27am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I expect he had in mind the sort of politically correct oppression that we now have where people lose their jobs for making some innocuous remark, or bakeries are persecuted for not putting slogans on their products that support various policies that the 'progressives' champion, or people given criminal records for questioning the wisdom of some 'progressive' dogma. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.27am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I expect he had in mind the sort of politically correct oppression that we now have where people lose their jobs for making some innocuous remark, or bakeries are persecuted for not putting slogans on their products that support various policies that the 'progressives' champion, or people given criminal records for questioning the wisdom of some 'progressive' dogma.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.30am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan. Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work. I can't think of any social advances under the tories. Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am) 1867 Reform Act of Disraeli immediately springs to mind. Other Acts of his included measures to provide suitable housing and sewerage, to protect the quality of food, to improve workers rights (including the Climbing Boys Act which banned the use of juveniles as chimney sweeps) and to implement basic standards of education. Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Mar 2017 11.34am) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.30am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan.

Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work.

I can't think of any social advances under the tories.

Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am)

1867 Reform Act of Disraeli immediately springs to mind. Other Acts of his included measures to provide suitable housing and sewerage, to protect the quality of food, to improve workers rights (including the Climbing Boys Act which banned the use of juveniles as chimney sweeps) and to implement basic standards of education.

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Mar 2017 11.34am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 12.04pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan. Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work. I can't think of any social advances under the tories. Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am) A ridiculous statement. Our entire modern society evolved and revolves around enterprise. Social reform needs money and you need a system in place to make it happen. If you want someone to congratulate for that thank Henry VIII and Oliver Cromwell. They are as good a candidates as any. It was freedom from absolute rule and religious dogma that allowed the industrial revolution and all that comes with it good and bad to happen. There would be no Labour Party or any kind of decent living standard without it.
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18 Mar 17 12.04pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan.

Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work.

I can't think of any social advances under the tories.

Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am)

A ridiculous statement.

Our entire modern society evolved and revolves around enterprise. Social reform needs money and you need a system in place to make it happen.
If you want someone to congratulate for that thank Henry VIII and Oliver Cromwell. They are as good a candidates as any. It was freedom from absolute rule and religious dogma that allowed the industrial revolution and all that comes with it good and bad to happen. There would be no Labour Party or any kind of decent living standard without it.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.06pm
Ha ha Disraeli in 1867 I did not expect that rather thinking of post-war. (WW2). I see slavery has returned under the tories and health problems like rickets malnutrition TB etc. re-surfaced but as long as the FTSE is high we will continue to give them enough QE to get richer.
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Croydon 18 Mar 17 12.06pm

Ha ha Disraeli in 1867 I did not expect that rather thinking of post-war. (WW2).

I see slavery has returned under the tories and health problems like rickets malnutrition TB etc. re-surfaced but as long as the FTSE is high we will continue to give them enough QE to get richer.

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