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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Mar 24 9.33pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

PM to tackle 'root causes' of extremism.

Must be a tory internal investigation then.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 01 Mar 24 9.51pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

You are like a parrot with dementia.

The point that we have been posting about is whether my statement that annual immigration was running at around 1.2 million was factually accurate. You said is was not, and of course it is accurate. All you are doing is spurting out your usual squid ink in a ridiculous attempt to deny that you were wrong in saying that my figures were inaccurate.

We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. [Orwell]

It's the usual comparing apples with pears to suit the erroneous narrative. If you had said " net immigration " that would be different, but you didn't.

 


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Originally posted by HKOwen

It's the usual comparing apples with pears to suit the erroneous narrative. If you had said " net immigration " that would be different, but you didn't.

I am grateful to my learned friend.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 24 11.37pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The total for 2022 was increased; the figure quoted was from the BBC. The population totals are from the census.
If you genuinely believe that essential services will suffer to that extent without the continued arrival of hundreds of thousands every year then by all means carry on explaining the everything in those terms.
Ironic though that our elected representatives,in whom were supposed to put so much faith, have allowed this situation to develop.

I don’t think anyone “allowed” things to develop. They just did. We have had a series of unforeseen crises which took priority. Now we have no real choice.

If you don’t think our essential services will suffer if we fail to staff them I would be very interested to learn why.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 01 Mar 24 11.47pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don’t think anyone “allowed” things to develop. They just did. We have had a series of unforeseen crises which took priority. Now we have no real choice.

If you don’t think our essential services will suffer if we fail to staff them I would be very interested to learn why.

I'd be interested to know why essential services in Cornwall don't need thousands of migrant recruits.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 24 12.01am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

You are like a parrot with dementia.

The point that we have been posting about is whether my statement that annual immigration was running at around 1.2 million was factually accurate. You said is was not, and of course it is accurate. All you are doing is spurting out your usual squid ink in a ridiculous attempt to deny that you were wrong in saying that my figures were inaccurate.

We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. [Orwell]

You are a very rude man. The comment I first picked you up on was this. Things always need to be read in their context. The discussion was about the NHS:-

“The canard that we must have immigration at the current levels to support the NHS is of course a lie by the left to deflect from the clear and obvious serious problems of mass immigration. The NHS employs around 1.7 million people, about 250,000 are from overseas. Immigration is running at around 1.2 million per year, vastly in excess of the numbers supposedly needed to keep the NHS running.”

That makes no sense unless and until migration is taken into account as the numbers needed to keep the NHS running are impacted by it just as much as immigration.

Which is why it was pointed out. Not that the simple statement about the gross number was incorrect but that it’s the net figure which gives the facts on the subject. Which was the NHS.

This is so obvious that it beggars belief that you want to argue the point. We all know what the gross figure was. It’s obviously not the only consideration in this context.


 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 24 12.09am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I'd be interested to know why essential services in Cornwall don't need thousands of migrant recruits.

I don’t have the numbers to hand but our local hospital, where my wife works, has many recent arrivals. Certainly several 100. They are actively recruiting in several countries. Mostly these days in Africa but some too from Asia. None, so far as I know, now from the EU. Two nurses, with their 3 children, are renting a house a few doors away from us. They, I believe, come from Nigeria.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don’t have the numbers to hand but our local hospital, where my wife works, has many recent arrivals. Certainly several 100. They are actively recruiting in several countries. Mostly these days in Africa but some too from Asia. None, so far as I know, now from the EU. Two nurses, with their 3 children, are renting a house a few doors away from us. They, I believe, come from Nigeria.


Surprising with such a lack of diversity in the county as a whole.

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Mar 24 12.51am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

I am grateful to my learned friend.

And there he plays the context card which = I am wrong but will try to wriggle my way off the hook by putting a spin on the words rather than the actual words

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are a very rude man. The comment I first picked you up on was this. Things always need to be read in their context. The discussion was about the NHS:-

“The canard that we must have immigration at the current levels to support the NHS is of course a lie by the left to deflect from the clear and obvious serious problems of mass immigration. The NHS employs around 1.7 million people, about 250,000 are from overseas. Immigration is running at around 1.2 million per year, vastly in excess of the numbers supposedly needed to keep the NHS running.”

That makes no sense unless and until migration is taken into account as the numbers needed to keep the NHS running are impacted by it just as much as immigration.

Which is why it was pointed out. Not that the simple statement about the gross number was incorrect but that it’s the net figure which gives the facts on the subject. Which was the NHS.

This is so obvious that it beggars belief that you want to argue the point. We all know what the gross figure was. It’s obviously not the only consideration in this context.

You responded with "You need to get your facts right". I did get my facts right.

By the way. Thanks for reposting and (highlighting in colour!) my point that "The canard that we must have immigration at the current levels to support the NHS is of course a lie by the left".

Edited by georgenorman (02 Mar 2024 7.21am)

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

PM to tackle 'root causes' of extremism.

Must be a tory internal investigation then.

The PM will start his investigation by vetting all future Labour candidates

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 24 8.23am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Surprising with such a lack of diversity in the county as a whole.

[Link]

That was almost 4 years ago when the impact of Brexit was in its infancy. Things are very different now.

 


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