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 Badger11  Beckenham 01 Mar 24 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And as I said in an earlier post it seems unlikely that any genuine care workers would be, given the way their visas are obtained and the salary levels needed. If anyone is abusing the system and bringing people here to do other jobs then that is the responsibility of the Home Office. Sure and as I said I have no confidence that the authorities can find illegals let alone people who are here legally but have over stayed their visa or are breaking it's rules. This country is wide open to immigration abuse. Perhaps if we start jailing CEO's who turn a blind eye to employee status they might get the message.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 24 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Is it distortion to say that in two years Britain has had to absorb the equivalent of the population of both Birmingham and Liverpool? Yes it is. The combined population of those cities is almost exactly 2 million. The net overall population increase in the last two years is well short of that. The immigration figures for last year is available in previous posts. The figures for the previous one here:- Other estimates suggest lower figures:-
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 24 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Sure and as I said I have no confidence that the authorities can find illegals let alone people who are here legally but have over stayed their visa or are breaking it's rules. This country is wide open to immigration abuse. Perhaps if we start jailing CEO's who turn a blind eye to employee status they might get the message. Oh I can join with you in criticising the way the Home OFfice has failed to handle this situation. Anyone who has had dealings with UKVI will tell you it is very far from perfect and doesn't have the resources to improve. They can be stupidly obstreperous with legitimate applicants whilst missing some obvious fraudsters.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 24 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
In my original post, I stated: "Immigration is running at around 1.2 million per year". You responded with "You need to get your facts right". I did get my facts right. Do you work for the Guardian? You got half a fact right. Things like immigration cannot be considered without also considering migration. Let me try and explain a way you might understand. If you pull a pint, but spill half on the floor you no longer have a pint. You have half a pint. If half of the immigrants are simply replacing those who have left then the net increase is half the total. I have never worked for a newspaper. I do though have a friend who used to write for the Mail, who is personally as politically centralist as I am. He is a professional and able to separate his own beliefs from the need to do his job. He has told me how things work there.
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 georgenorman 01 Mar 24 4.30pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You got half a fact right. Things like immigration cannot be considered without also considering migration. Let me try and explain a way you might understand. If you pull a pint, but spill half on the floor you no longer have a pint. You have half a pint. If half of the immigrants are simply replacing those who have left then the net increase is half the total. I have never worked for a newspaper. I do though have a friend who used to write for the Mail, who is personally as politically centralist as I am. He is a professional and able to separate his own beliefs from the need to do his job. He has told me how things work there. Immigration is running at 1.2 million a year. That is what I quoted. That is a factually correct figure. Let me try and explain a way you might understand: The number of people who emigrated does not change the number of immigrants. If 10.2 million people emigrated there would still be 1.2 million immigrants.
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| Runningman Keston 01 Mar 24 4.43pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Immigration is running at 1.2 million a year. That is what I quoted. That is a factually correct figure. Let me try and explain a way you might understand: The number of people who emigrated does not change the number of immigrants. If 10.2 million people emigrated there would still be 1.2 million immigrants. xxxxx
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Teddy Eagle  01 Mar 24 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes it is. The combined population of those cities is almost exactly 2 million. The net overall population increase in the last two years is well short of that. The immigration figures for last year is available in previous posts. The figures for the previous one here:- Other estimates suggest lower figures:- In the census for 2021 the population was
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 24 8.11pm |
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At what point in history did “white people” become a group? You can understand “black” people describing themselves as such because that’s the way “white” people have described them but it’s not true either. People ought not be defined by any arbitrary characteristic, the borders of which are indistinct and irrelevant. There are many other characteristics better able to determine groups of people. Being “white” confers nothing to anyone. David Badiel is “white”. He is also Jewish. Hitler was “white”. He was anti-Jewish, to put it mildly.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 24 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
In the census for 2021 the population was Those figures don’t match the ones I provided. They do, of course depend on where you draw the boundaries. Another estimate can be found here:- Your net migration figures don’t match the ones previously posted either, but not by such a big margin. However even your figures don’t match your claim. Unless we find other ways of filling the vacancies and deciding not to allow universities to offer places to overseas students (very few of whom will need school places for children) there is going to either be a need to increase the supply of infrastructure or allow problems to get worse in essential services like the NHS and the care sector. Do you want to wait even longer for your cancer diagnosis or hip replacement or for granny not to be cared for? That’s the choice. Either provide the support or suffer the consequences.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 24 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Immigration is running at 1.2 million a year. That is what I quoted. That is a factually correct figure. Let me try and explain a way you might understand: The number of people who emigrated does not change the number of immigrants. If 10.2 million people emigrated there would still be 1.2 million immigrants. But NOT 1.2 million more people. There would be 9 million less. That’s what’s important in terms of worker availability and demand on housing, which is the subject under discussion and not the proportion of our population who are recent immigrants. There has always be a churn in our population. It’s nothing new but it cannot be ignored as you are attempting to do.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 24 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Those figures don’t match the ones I provided. They do, of course depend on where you draw the boundaries. Another estimate can be found here:- Your net migration figures don’t match the ones previously posted either, but not by such a big margin. However even your figures don’t match your claim. Unless we find other ways of filling the vacancies and deciding not to allow universities to offer places to overseas students (very few of whom will need school places for children) there is going to either be a need to increase the supply of infrastructure or allow problems to get worse in essential services like the NHS and the care sector. Do you want to wait even longer for your cancer diagnosis or hip replacement or for granny not to be cared for? That’s the choice. Either provide the support or suffer the consequences. The total for 2022 was increased; the figure quoted was from the BBC. The population totals are from the census.
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| georgenorman 01 Mar 24 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
But NOT 1.2 million more people. There would be 9 million less. That’s what’s important in terms of worker availability and demand on housing, which is the subject under discussion and not the proportion of our population who are recent immigrants. There has always be a churn in our population. It’s nothing new but it cannot be ignored as you are attempting to do. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (01 Mar 2024 8.37pm) You are like a parrot with dementia. The point that we have been posting about is whether my statement that annual immigration was running at around 1.2 million was factually accurate. You said is was not, and of course it is accurate. All you are doing is spurting out your usual squid ink in a ridiculous attempt to deny that you were wrong in saying that my figures were inaccurate. We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. [Orwell]
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