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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 14 Mar 17 10.15pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

You seem to be more obsessed with communists and communism than Joe McCarthy.

Perhaps more of an exaggeration is to call the Mail a 'newspaper' as opposed to a right wing hate magazine

Merely showing the absurdity of calling the Mail fascist, ie: just as absurd as calling the Guardian communist.
Does make me laugh how you left wing sweetness and light people condemn the likes of the Mail as a 'hate magazine', while in the next breath make excuses for some nut job real hate organisation that you won't hear criticism of because it is anti-Israel, anti-West or Islamic based.
Oh yes, and I do hate communism - don't you?

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Mar 2017 10.25pm)

 


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legaleagle Flag 15 Mar 17 8.34am

You shouldn't generalise so much...there are plenty on the "left" who abhor the excesses of say Hamas, Assad, Netanyahu and the Daily Mail.

What is rather worrying is when those on the right,who are quick to abhor say Hamas,have difficulty when it comes to seeing why terming the Supreme Court judges who merely upheld traditional English law,as "enemies of the people" has echoes of both a Hitleresque and a Stalinesque attitude towards democratic norms and the rule of law..

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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 15 Mar 17 1.06pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Merely showing the absurdity of calling the Mail fascist, ie: just as absurd as calling the Guardian communist.
Does make me laugh how you left wing sweetness and light people condemn the likes of the Mail as a 'hate magazine', while in the next breath make excuses for some nut job real hate organisation that you won't hear criticism of because it is anti-Israel, anti-West or Islamic based.
Oh yes, and I do hate communism - don't you?

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Mar 2017 10.25pm)

Ah, I'm a 'left wing sweetness and light person' am I? Fair enough.

Is the Mail, in your opinion, a generally unbiased, useful news source? Or a silly right wing tabloid with a strong anti-immigration bias?

And for the record- no, I don't hate communism. An imperfect system, about as flawed as capitalism in fact. A healthy mix of socialism and capitalism, tipping towards socialism, is my preference.

And I will happily condemn any hate groups, left or right, Islamic or not. Such as the Mail, with it's 'enemies of the people' jibe at the judiciary. How dare they uphold the law!

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Mar 17 1.51pm

Whilst the Mail has many opinions and a bias that actually dominates its news, rather than opinion coverage, my principle problem with the Daily Mail is that its poorly written, poorly presented and exists solely to flatter its audience into thinking they're not reading a tabloid newspaper.

#s***newspaperforpsuedomiddleclasssemiliteratewan*kers

It is to journalism, what Dan Brown is to literature.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Mar 17 1.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, because you told me that there are vast armies of swastika tattoed skinheads roaming the country to protect us.

I'm more worried about the latter, although largely on the basis that I'm more likely to run into them in a pub.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Mar 17 1.58pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

It may not end the Lords as they can only send a bill back twice but it will certainly strengthen the resolve to reform them further.

Sadly this is probably true, when the Lords actually do their job, then the tendency seems to be to call for reform. The Lords only returned it with 'comments' that were perfectly reasonable.

The problem seems to be that having now narrowly won the Brexit referendum, a significant percentage of the leave campaign seem to think that's sufficient to achieve that exit, irrespective of the costs or terms.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Mar 17 2.08pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Oh yes, and I do hate communism - don't you?

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Mar 2017 10.25pm)

Depends on what you mean by Communism. The Soviet and Sino tyranny are horrors of the 20th century on a par with the Nazi and Fascist states. But its a slim argument that they were even really remotely interested in achieving Communism, but rather about instigating a change of the ruling elite.

If you just swap the 'capitalist / imperialist powers' for the 'Party' all you're achieving is renaming those with absolute power. Really, Soviet Communism is really just an atheist religion, in which the Party Chairman is a medival pope, with a different gospel of the truth protected by an inquistional body to root out and purge heretics.

You can't just change the names of the oppressors, you have to deal with the situations of power that creates oppression, which means undermining your own power to control. Its where democracy kind of gets it right - It weakens the power of authority.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Mar 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Ah, I'm a 'left wing sweetness and light person' am I? Fair enough.

Is the Mail, in your opinion, a generally unbiased, useful news source? Or a silly right wing tabloid with a strong anti-immigration bias?

And for the record- no, I don't hate communism. An imperfect system, about as flawed as capitalism in fact. A healthy mix of socialism and capitalism, tipping towards socialism, is my preference.

And I will happily condemn any hate groups, left or right, Islamic or not. Such as the Mail, with it's 'enemies of the people' jibe at the judiciary. How dare they uphold the law!

Of course the Mail is biased towards the Conservative Party. No newspapers are useful news sources anymore – they are always out of date compared to the internet, radio etc. I guess you could call it ‘ silly right wing tabloid with a strong anti-immigration bias’ just as you could call the Guardian ‘a silly left wing broadsheet with a strong pro-immigration bias’.
Well you should hate communism. To not hate it is like saying I don’t hate fascism, or I don’t hate slavery. ‘About as flawed as capitalism’ is just nonsense, it is of great magnitudes more flawed than capitalism, just read accounts of life under the ‘system’.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Mar 17 2.21pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Depends on what you mean by Communism. The Soviet and Sino tyranny are horrors of the 20th century on a par with the Nazi and Fascist states. But its a slim argument that they were even really remotely interested in achieving Communism, but rather about instigating a change of the ruling elite.

If you just swap the 'capitalist / imperialist powers' for the 'Party' all you're achieving is renaming those with absolute power. Really, Soviet Communism is really just an atheist religion, in which the Party Chairman is a medival pope, with a different gospel of the truth protected by an inquistional body to root out and purge heretics.

You can't just change the names of the oppressors, you have to deal with the situations of power that creates oppression, which means undermining your own power to control. Its where democracy kind of gets it right - It weakens the power of authority.

Any regime that professes itself to be communist, or any state with 'Democratic Republic' in its name.
It is nonsense to suggest that the likes of Stalin and Mao-Tse-Tung were not sincere communists.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Mar 17 3.16pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Any regime that professes itself to be communist, or any state with 'Democratic Republic' in its name.
It is nonsense to suggest that the likes of Stalin and Mao-Tse-Tung were not sincere communists.

Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Mar 2017 2.28pm)

Yeah they were really all about the delivery of the power into the hands of the people. Like Lennin before them, they may have like to present themselves as Communists, but the only thing they were interested in was their own glory and power. Just like Hitler who professed to be all about the German People, but really it was just his ideal view of the German people that just so happened to be all about power and control over the people by absolute means.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah they were really all about the delivery of the power into the hands of the people. Like Lennin before them, they may have like to present themselves as Communists, but the only thing they were interested in was their own glory and power. Just like Hitler who professed to be all about the German People, but really it was just his ideal view of the German people that just so happened to be all about power and control over the people by absolute means.

'Like Lennin' you don't mark exam papers do you?

Must be the Watford game control yourself......

Thanks for the 'just like Hitler' as he has not been on anywhere today although he had a unique take on Dutch elections

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Mar 17 3.47pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah they were really all about the delivery of the power into the hands of the people. Like Lennin before them, they may have like to present themselves as Communists, but the only thing they were interested in was their own glory and power. Just like Hitler who professed to be all about the German People, but really it was just his ideal view of the German people that just so happened to be all about power and control over the people by absolute means.

Of course Lenin, Stalin and Mao were sincere communists. They implemented textbook Marxist ideas; all means of production, distribution and exchange in the hands of the state and the dictatorship of the proletariat (ie: government by terror). They sincerely believed the lunatic ideas of Marx would actually work. Of course as it became increasing clear that communism did not work, they increased the terror.

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