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  Hrolf The Ganger  12 Mar 17 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Not now we won't
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Mar 17 8.43pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
I referred to Central/Southern Europe.Last time I looked,Israel/Palestine was not in Europe.That rather sums up the efficacy of your analysis and response. I didn't. I referred to the disgraceful displacing of the existing Palestinian population by an aggressive invader. It wouldn't be fair to exclude that from the list.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 13 Mar 17 6.03am |
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Originally posted by europalace
You're not being governed by Germany or France either. That kind of thinking cones from an inward looking and paranoid view of Europe. The UK has much more to fear from being effectively controlled by the US, a good example being the Gulf wars where the UK was coerced by the US to take part and the result we see today in the middle east and the impact on all EU countries of illegal immigration. I think you know full well that Germany runs the EU. No, inward thinking is sticking to the shrinking trade bloc that is Europe. Outward thinking is trading with the whole globe. Other (successful) nations do exist you know. Not sure how you can compare the Gulf Wars to future trade deals between the US and UK. Slightly odd!
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europalace  Europe 13 Mar 17 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I think you know full well that Germany runs the EU. No, inward thinking is sticking to the shrinking trade bloc that is Europe. Outward thinking is trading with the whole globe. Other (successful) nations do exist you know. Not sure how you can compare the Gulf Wars to future trade deals between the US and UK. Slightly odd! I lived in Germany for 6 years. Germany does not 'run' the EU. The German people also don't assume at all that they 'run' the EU. The real issue is that some of the larger EU economies, are jealous of the German economic success which runs a trade surplus every year. This particularly applies to the UK which still assumes it should be top dog in everything economically. This of course is far from the truth and will remain so for decades at the very least. It simply refuses to be a team player when it realises it isn't the best in the team. These are observations I've made having lived and worked in several EU countries over the last 25 years and having lived and worked in the UK for years prior to that.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Mar 17 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
I lived in Germany for 6 years. Germany does not 'run' the EU. The German people also don't assume at all that they 'run' the EU. The real issue is that some of the larger EU economies, are jealous of the German economic success which runs a trade surplus every year. This particularly applies to the UK which still assumes it should be top dog in everything economically. This of course is far from the truth and will remain so for decades at the very least. It simply refuses to be a team player when it realises it isn't the best in the team. These are observations I've made having lived and worked in several EU countries over the last 25 years and having lived and worked in the UK for years prior to that. Thanks for acknowledging that by remaining in the EU we would play second fiddle to Germany. And you didn't mention France did you.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Mar 17 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not now we won't Well we might, because we could become very dependent on trade agreements, defined by the EU. Economic leverage is a far better method of exerting political pressure for favour on a country, than political relationships are. Its the gunboat diplomacy of the modern age.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Mar 17 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I think you know full well that Germany runs the EU. No, inward thinking is sticking to the shrinking trade bloc that is Europe. Outward thinking is trading with the whole globe. Other (successful) nations do exist you know. Not sure how you can compare the Gulf Wars to future trade deals between the US and UK. Slightly odd! It has the economic leverage and is the economic power house in the EU. Of course now we will have to negotiate economic deals, in which that powerhouse of the EU is arguably in a position of strength (where as within the EU, we didn't really have to deal with that leverage and power - the UK had veto powers, and a position of roughly equal power in the EU).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Mar 17 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
But as we have established Michael, that is because of NATO. Probably more the Soviet Union, ironically. Post 1945 the empire powers were a spent force. Two world wars had effectively rendered them minor players on the world scale compared to the two rising powers of the 20th century. The Communism of the Soviet Union and the Capitalism / corporate state of the US.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Mar 17 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well we might, because we could become very dependent on trade agreements, defined by the EU. Economic leverage is a far better method of exerting political pressure for favour on a country, than political relationships are. Its the gunboat diplomacy of the modern age. That's too pessimistic for me.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Mar 17 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That's too pessimistic for me. Yet we have fascists on the rise in our own country.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Mar 17 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yet we have fascists on the rise in our own country.
I know. I wake up in the middle of the night after nightmares about a gang of terrorists with number one haircuts and braces, blowing up my Pampas grass. It's when they fully mobilise and start destroying ancient monuments like the Caterham roundabout that things will get real.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Mar 17 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I know. I wake up in the middle of the night after nightmares about a gang of terrorists with number one haircuts and braces, blowing up my Pampas grass. It's when they fully mobilise and start destroying ancient monuments like the Caterham roundabout that things will get real. Do you wake up in the night after nightmares about islamic extremists?
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