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 steeleye20  Croydon 03 Nov 23 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
We can agree on that in hindsight. The Australians did not pursue that policy and I expect this is a decision that repeatedly comes back to haunt them. I have read nothing about what likely informed Wilson's decision but I expect it may have been motivated by economics and pay back for Eisenhower shafting us on Suez. That said, we have spent the following decades kowtowing to our big brother to get back into his good books. History will judge us on that. The USA could not argue that Britain was not doing its bit, as we had our own Vietnam war, in Borneo against the Communist Indonesian dictator Sokarno, using 50,000 men we could say that we were already overstretched. The tactics employed, of jungle warfare and SAS units, were highly successful and totally different to the failure of mass bombing in Vietnam by the Americans. Only 114 men lost and 180 wounded in four years 'the most successful war we have probably ever had' - Dennis Healey.
Edited by steeleye20 (03 Nov 2023 3.25pm) Edited by steeleye20 (03 Nov 2023 3.38pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 03 Nov 23 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The USA could not argue that Britain was not doing its bit, as we had our own Vietnam war, in Borneo against the Communist Indonesian dictator Sokarno, using 50,000 men we could say that we were already overstretched. The tactics employed, of jungle warfare and SAS units, were highly successful and totally different to the failure of mass bombing in Vietnam by the Americans. Only 114 men lost and 180 wounded in four years 'the most successful war we have probably ever had' - Dennis Healey.
Edited by steeleye20 (03 Nov 2023 3.25pm) Edited by steeleye20 (03 Nov 2023 3.38pm) And the memory of the very same 114 men with 1000s of others will be shat on by some t***s on Sunday. This is what you and yours agree with so own it instead of pontificating about successful wars !
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| eaglesdare 03 Nov 23 3.52pm |
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Israel are waging a war on terrorism. They have my support.
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| silvertop Portishead 03 Nov 23 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The USA could not argue that Britain was not doing its bit, as we had our own Vietnam war, in Borneo against the Communist Indonesian dictator Sokarno, using 50,000 men we could say that we were already overstretched. The tactics employed, of jungle warfare and SAS units, were highly successful and totally different to the failure of mass bombing in Vietnam by the Americans. Only 114 men lost and 180 wounded in four years 'the most successful war we have probably ever had' - Dennis Healey.
Edited by steeleye20 (03 Nov 2023 3.25pm) Edited by steeleye20 (03 Nov 2023 3.38pm) The 2 campaigns are hardly comparable. And we were done and dusted with it in 1966.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 23 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Israel are waging a war on terrorism. They have my support. Very few would condemn any country defending themselves against terrorists. Most thought would condemn the way Israel are going about it. Do you?
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| eaglesdare 03 Nov 23 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Very few would condemn any country defending themselves against terrorists. Most thought would condemn the way Israel are going about it. Do you? No.
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| cryrst The garden of England 03 Nov 23 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Very few would condemn any country defending themselves against terrorists. Most thought would condemn the way Israel are going about it. Do you? They could be attacked from 4 sides. How would that play out in your world. Albeit it would only be Israelis so who cares right!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 23 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
They could be attacked from 4 sides. How would that play out in your world. Albeit it would only be Israelis so who cares right! If they were attacked from all four sides then they would need to defend all four sides. It makes no difference to the need to use a proportionate response to each attack and to minimise civilian casualties. They do not appear to be doing either. They appear to be making things worse. I heard a former US government military advisor, who had a lot of sympathy for Israel, question the strategy today. He suggested that a more effective response would be a slower, more forensic and carefully targeted one, with most of the army withdrawn to the borders, air strikes limited to carefully selected targets and fast in and out raids mounted to eliminate communications, commanders and supplies. That would certainly command more international support.
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| cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 23 6.35am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If they were attacked from all four sides then they would need to defend all four sides. It makes no difference to the need to use a proportionate response to each attack and to minimise civilian casualties. They do not appear to be doing either. They appear to be making things worse. I heard a former US government military advisor, who had a lot of sympathy for Israel, question the strategy today. He suggested that a more effective response would be a slower, more forensic and carefully targeted one, with most of the army withdrawn to the borders, air strikes limited to carefully selected targets and fast in and out raids mounted to eliminate communications, commanders and supplies. That would certainly command more international support. If the Palestinians won’t do their own dirty work then Israel will do it for them. The Palestinians outnumber Hamas maybe by a factor in hundreds. They voted them in all them years ago. They should be thanking Israel for voting them out. As for the pro Hamas marches going on around the globe. These f***wits actually think they are pro Palestine, really; they actually believe that. Well let’s hope that they are all ready for when the fifth legion get their instruction cos if you western or white your getting it.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Nov 23 7.43am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If the Palestinians won’t do their own dirty work then Israel will do it for them. The Palestinians outnumber Hamas maybe by a factor in hundreds. They voted them in all them years ago. They should be thanking Israel for voting them out. As for the pro Hamas marches going on around the globe. These f***wits actually think they are pro Palestine, really; they actually believe that. Well let’s hope that they are all ready for when the fifth legion get their instruction cos if you western or white your getting it.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Nov 23 7.50am |
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Personally, I don't think Britain should have any more interest in what happens in Palestine than does India. What is happening there is a tragedy whoever is dying. However, watching the elites deal with it you realise just how fecked up this world is. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Nov 2023 7.51am)
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 04 Nov 23 8.32am |
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I've managed to stockpile quite a few barrels of gunpowder. I just need a some form of transport to get them from East Sussex powder mills to central London, for tomorrow. Who's with me ?
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