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eaglesdare 20 Apr 23 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Kindly provide the evidence that supports this assertion. I think you gain this impression because there is an active group of anti-vaxers and conspiracy theorists trawling through the data and jumping on anything that could possibly be presented as support for their dangerous ideas. So it's not a small part being reported. It's anything at all that could be reported. Some parts of the media are responsibly cautious. Others less so. Those who live off sensational headlines are especially culpable.
And so to were any doctor or scientist who questioned the narrative the last two years. but it is now slowly but surely comming out with brave members of the public, doctors and scientists starting to speak out. Let me guess...you only get your news from the BBC and sky news?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 23 1.45pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
And so to were any doctor or scientist who questioned the narrative the last two years. but it is now slowly but surely comming out with brave members of the public, doctors and scientists starting to speak out. Let me guess...you only get your news from the BBC and sky news? In other words, you don't actually have any evidence. Just some "numerous reports" you have seen somewhere, probably on the web. Conspiracy theories aren't evidence. "Doctors and Scientists", many of whom have been shown to not actually have specialist knowledge and/or are attention seekers don't provide it either. They aren't "silenced". They aren't trustworthy. I get my information from genuine sources which are reported by trustworthy media, both here and elsewhere.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 20 Apr 23 1.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In other words, you don't actually have any evidence. Just some "numerous reports" you have seen somewhere, probably on the web. Conspiracy theories aren't evidence. "Doctors and Scientists", many of whom have been shown to not actually have specialist knowledge and/or are attention seekers don't provide it either. They aren't "silenced". They aren't trustworthy. I get my information from genuine sources which are reported by trustworthy media, both here and elsewhere.
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eaglesdare 20 Apr 23 2.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In other words, you don't actually have any evidence. Just some "numerous reports" you have seen somewhere, probably on the web. Conspiracy theories aren't evidence. "Doctors and Scientists", many of whom have been shown to not actually have specialist knowledge and/or are attention seekers don't provide it either. They aren't "silenced". They aren't trustworthy. I get my information from genuine sources which are reported by trustworthy media, both here and elsewhere. There is plenty of evidence and first hand experience from people out there. All you have to do is open your eyes and listen. Any doctor or scientist who had legitimate concerns over vaccine side effects were silenced and or cancelled. Only now we get to hear from some of them who were too scared to speak out. I am not talking about "Conspiracy theories" here. even tho most "Conspiracy theories" have been correct the last few years. Oh I am sure you do get your information from genuine sources reported by "trustworthy media". Would you jump off a cliff if one of these "Genuine sources" told you it was safe? or would you look down first assess the risks yourself and decide maybe i wont jump I risk an injury and or death.
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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 23 6.10pm | |
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If people want to watch Dr John Campbell explore the circumstances around the inquest of this tragic vaccine death it can be found here. Also, here is Campbell on the recent senate report on its lab leak document.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 23 9.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If people want to watch Dr John Campbell explore the circumstances around the inquest of this tragic vaccine death it can be found here. Also, here is Campbell on the recent senate report on its lab leak document. Oh dear, here we go again. Dr Campbell, who isn't a doctor of medicine at all, let alone a specialist virologist, but a nurse educator who has obtained a doctorate, is still winding up the vulnerable. He, like similar YouTubers, is very clever. He presents a mix of facts blended with conspiracy theories that reinforce the prejudices of his audience. When it has reached 2.72 million subscribers this is a substantial audience and has become a very nice earner for him. How do YouTubers earn money? From the advertisements. They get 40% of the revenue generated from advertisements on their channel, which is calculated on the number of subscribers. Ever wondered why you are encouraged to subscribe? Now you know. It makes money. If you have 2.72 million of them, it makes a lot of money. He is personable and convincing, but he is not an expert or has what he says checked, verified and edited by one. Including some verifiable facts leads people to believe that everything he says has the same merit. Yes, there has been a Senate Report on Covid origins, which has reached the same conclusions as at least one of the US intelligence agencies. But, and it's a BIG but, others disagree and there is no consensus in the USA over this. Add to that the fact that this Report was presented, and has been driven by, Republican Senator Roger Marshall, someone who tried to overturn the 2020 election results, opposed impeaching Trump, denies climate change and has been at the forefront of trying to blame China for the pandemic and the smell of political bias becomes strong. That of course, doesn't mean our good Dr Campbell questions the veracity of the Report in any way. He accepts it as though it answers all the questions. Period. No more doubt. Other opinions can be disposed of. This is the opening paragraph for Dr Campbell's Wiki entry:- "John Lorimer Campbell is an English YouTuber and retired nurse educator known for his videos about the COVID-19 pandemic. Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation.[2] He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines."
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 23 9.48pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
There is plenty of evidence and first hand experience from people out there. All you have to do is open your eyes and listen. Any doctor or scientist who had legitimate concerns over vaccine side effects were silenced and or cancelled. Only now we get to hear from some of them who were too scared to speak out. I am not talking about "Conspiracy theories" here. even tho most "Conspiracy theories" have been correct the last few years. Oh I am sure you do get your information from genuine sources reported by "trustworthy media". Would you jump off a cliff if one of these "Genuine sources" told you it was safe? or would you look down first assess the risks yourself and decide maybe i wont jump I risk an injury and or death. As I have not seen any such evidence perhaps you can reference some of it for us. I will then check it out and pass on my opinion. I would be particularly interested in these "doctors and scientists" you claim to have been silenced. I am aware of some whose claims have been ridiculed and debunked, but not silenced so please let me know who they are. I use sources which are subjected to editorial control and legal oversight to avoid the publication of false claims. I don't use sources where the presenter makes money from presenting whatever opinion they post, no matter how truthful or untruthful. Alex Jones made a huge fortune out of telling lies. Do you seriously believe others have not imitated him?
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Mr Palaceman 20 Apr 23 9.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I have not seen any such evidence perhaps you can reference some of it for us. I will then check it out and pass on my opinion. I would be particularly interested in these "doctors and scientists" you claim to have been silenced. I am aware of some whose claims have been ridiculed and debunked, but not silenced so please let me know who they are. I use sources which are subjected to editorial control and legal oversight to avoid the publication of false claims. I don't use sources where the presenter makes money from presenting whatever opinion they post, no matter how truthful or untruthful. Alex Jones made a huge fortune out of telling lies. Do you seriously believe others have not imitated him?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 23 10.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
Are you serious? Read my recent post about Dr Campbell. That will tell you what I think about him. Andrew Bridgen? The MP who has the whip withdrawn for spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation? You must be joking
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Teddy Eagle 20 Apr 23 10.20pm | |
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eaglesdare 20 Apr 23 10.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I have not seen any such evidence perhaps you can reference some of it for us. I will then check it out and pass on my opinion. I would be particularly interested in these "doctors and scientists" you claim to have been silenced. I am aware of some whose claims have been ridiculed and debunked, but not silenced so please let me know who they are. I use sources which are subjected to editorial control and legal oversight to avoid the publication of false claims. I don't use sources where the presenter makes money from presenting whatever opinion they post, no matter how truthful or untruthful. Alex Jones made a huge fortune out of telling lies. Do you seriously believe others have not imitated him? There is plenty of accounts from doctors and scientist who have been silenced. You are just not going to hear about it in mainstream media as I said becuase they were silenced and not reported. Absolutely plenty of first hand accounts from doctors and scientists across social media. Especially on the likes of Twitter now where they are not silenced or censored or blocked since Elon musk took over. Like I said the likes of the BBC and sky news which you seem to think is a source of truth really is not they only report on one side and what suits their agenda. I seem to remember one doctor who was fully vaccinated but changed his opinion on the vaccine was interviewed but the BBC did not know this....and he called for an enquiry live on tv and then never heard from again....
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 23 11.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Obviously, I have no more idea than anyone else why the FDA decided not to publish. As they say it's always a contentious decision. Given the way some people manipulate things I can quite understand any reticence. Lots of adverse comments there show just how under scrutiny they are. They will be damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Not frightening people over relatively rare risks during a vaccination programme to help counter a pandemic which isn't yet over and the long-term implications only now beginning to be understood, is a worthy consideration. So is not feeding the unrelenting hunger of conspiracy theorists. Not easy.
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