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Teddy Eagle 09 Feb 22 12.42pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I agree with you Teddy but in Starmer's case he cannot point fingers and tell people to do something that he himself wasn't prepared to do. Edited by The Dolphin (09 Feb 2022 12.08pm) Absolutely but politics and hypocrisy go together like any number of clichés.
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The Dolphin 09 Feb 22 1.31pm | |
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Sadly - you are right on that one as well.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 22 2.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What a ridiculous statement. Pretty much sums up your lack of reasoning. I seriously doubt that when you are outnumbered 10 to 1 that you will absorb the 10. That is bonkers logic. We have been protected by borders and up till now, but that has ended with mass immigration and a rapidly increasing world population. You need to do your homework. Do you think Boris will pull up the drawbridge? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Feb 2022 12.40pm) That my statement isn't understood is par for the course of the responder. As I won't ever be outnumbered 10 to 1 (unless I have the misfortune to run into a far-right "Rally" there is no need to worry about it. The world's population is estimated to stabilise at around 9 billion. Where those people will live depends on a variety of things, not least the impact of climate change and rising sea levels. There are though other considerations. Changes to agriculture, new technologies, developing countries holding and then requiring more people. We could just as easily find ourselves unable to attract enough people in the future, as attract too many. We live in a different world to our forebears. Population shifts are going to become the norm and there is no avoiding them, or reason to fear them. Pushing the "Great Replacement Theory" in the 21st century is the equivalent of the Luddites in the 19th. You cannot turn back the tide of history. You need to examine its impact and then produce policies which maximise the positive aspects, and minimise the negative. Trying to frighten people just makes things worse. Johnson is as incapable of doing that as he is of telling the truth. Which is another very good reason to try to get back to some decency in politics. We need clear heads, and a joined-up programme which we can all relate to and support.
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Stirlingsays 09 Feb 22 2.44pm | |
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Wants us to live in a different world......loves change....tells you to embrace it. Moves to Cornwall. It's like a comedy.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Feb 22 2.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That my statement isn't understood is par for the course of the responder. As I won't ever be outnumbered 10 to 1 (unless I have the misfortune to run into a far-right "Rally" there is no need to worry about it. The world's population is estimated to stabilise at around 9 billion. Where those people will live depends on a variety of things, not least the impact of climate change and rising sea levels. There are though other considerations. Changes to agriculture, new technologies, developing countries holding and then requiring more people. We could just as easily find ourselves unable to attract enough people in the future, as attract too many. We live in a different world to our forebears. Population shifts are going to become the norm and there is no avoiding them, or reason to fear them. Pushing the "Great Replacement Theory" in the 21st century is the equivalent of the Luddites in the 19th. You cannot turn back the tide of history. You need to examine its impact and then produce policies which maximise the positive aspects, and minimise the negative. Trying to frighten people just makes things worse. Johnson is as incapable of doing that as he is of telling the truth. Which is another very good reason to try to get back to some decency in politics. We need clear heads, and a joined-up programme which we can all relate to and support. Only one in ten people are Europeans. Perhaps on your planet there are more of us. Boris has nothing on you when it comes to dishonesty.
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Stirlingsays 09 Feb 22 2.48pm | |
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Anyway, I don't see Boris as toast. More like a custard tart that you kinda feel like you've had too many of.....but then again when you look at the alternatives on the table you're suddenly not hungry.
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BlueJay UK 09 Feb 22 2.54pm | |
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At the end of the day if someone wants to launch the a 'no or low immigration party' I don't see that there would be a fundamental issue with that, and think it would probably be approved by the electoral commission. That is about the extent of it as you can reason to people on various fronts (housing etc), while also (for 'some' of those people) have a racial aspect in mind. It's called being realistic. However, this racist's chocolate box reality where British non white born children are somehow second rate and that even parties that intend or wish for their removal based on that fact alone somehow have validity to them, is a pipe dream of the warped. An affront to the dignity of others and a direct attack on the rights of people who have no less right to be here as anyone else. The Internet has a lot to answer for. This pick your own reality world to extremes, that either results in people feeling mortally wounded if they can't have their 56 gender changes of a morning given an official seal of approval, or childlike views and demands on race to the extent that even bore most of those of their own race half to death.. And let's not get started on the creepy buttering up and half truths directed at those susceptible to this nonsense. I mean really. I've said before on here that my partner is black. It's ridiculous that I'm taken to task on here for not wanting to go along with this tripe. Maybe I should ship all and any future generations off to a 'homeland' they've never been to and have zero connection to? There are practical realities in life. Live within them.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Feb 22 2.54pm | |
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He's been more resilient than I expected. He may be pretty awful but is probably better than May. And certainly more charismatic than Starmer, who makes an old cheese sandwich look like a viable political leader.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Feb 22 2.59pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
He's been more resilient than I expected. He may be pretty awful but is probably better than May. And certainly more charismatic than Starmer, who makes an old cheese sandwich look like a viable political leader. It helps when the people throwing the stones are less trustworthy than the target.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Feb 22 3.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It helps when the people throwing the stones are less trustworthy than the target. The press are getting ever more ridiculous, whilst the opposition really aren't much of an opposition.
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BlueJay UK 09 Feb 22 3.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Only one in ten people are Europeans. Perhaps on your planet there are more of us. Boris has nothing on you when it comes to dishonesty. What exactly are you proposing is done? Outside of the EU we now have control of our borders. Therefore if a party that much more of an anti immigration stance than others comes about, who exactly is stopping you from voting for that? Unless you have an attitude where you dream of extracting non white british born people out of this society and back to their 'homeland'? Do you think that is a realistic or even helpful idea to have? Society changes over time. There is certainly an argument with regard to speed of change, and definitely immigration, but outlooks beyond that either range from unhelpful to unnerving. As was said before, as the decades drift by ideas of identity change. Most people aren't looking at their mates of other races and having strange ideas about how they wish these people were not here due to some kind of arbitrary 'comfort quota' that exists in their own head about others genetic code (that is largely unknown to them anyway beyond what is visual). You don't need to perform tests on your cells to inform you of how much of a connection you do or should have to someone.
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BlueJay UK 09 Feb 22 3.15pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
He's been more resilient than I expected. He may be pretty awful but is probably better than May. And certainly more charismatic than Starmer, who makes an old cheese sandwich look like a viable political leader. I know it's dirty, and in some way concerning, tactics but I think the Saville thing was quite clever. He's main prerogative appears to be to nudge the story away from partygate because that was damaging him. The Starmer stuff knocked that off the front page, and now the 'all covid restrictions to go' stuff being pushed forward is likely part of the same approach. Interesting the betting odds still have him marginal favourite to go this year, but perhaps that comes down to a concern about how many letters have been put in along with not quite knowing what surprising are up the sleeves of those out to remove him - who ironically all appears to be within his own party. If he keeps hanging on in there though, I can see him holding on. Hard to make firm predictions in politics. One to watch with interest. Edited by BlueJay (09 Feb 2022 3.17pm)
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