A reminder of the recent Israel studies for interested and impartial parties:

"A total of 371 out of 715,425 Israelis who passed at least a week after receiving two doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine have contracted the virus – 0.04%, with 16 being sent to the hospital

Over the same period of time, some 8,250 new cases of COVID-19 emerged in the control group of some 900,000 people having a diverse health profile. Those who were not inoculated were therefore 11 times more likely to get the disease than those who were immunized, showing 92% effectiveness." - [Link]

"The viral load was shown to be reduced fourfold on average for infections occurring 12 to 28 days after the first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. (That is considered a time of only partial vaccine protection) " [Link]

As stated, it's early days, but will be important to keep an eye on these things over the coming weeks and months and also to see if they are replicated here. It should also shine a more complete light on differences between vaccines.

I'll post what I like thanks

You've ripped nothing apart. I explained that I didn't post the full studies on account that nobody would've read them (just as you didn't read the actual Lancet study posted). Some of the studies were originally in Hebrew too; there is nothing wrong with posting accessible findings that people will actually read. Just because it's in a format you don't like doesn't mean it's 'lies' by default [Link] The preliminary results are impressive and worth keeping an eye on as we move forward through the coming weeks and months (the disparity in cases between groups). I can't speak for future mutations as that may well eventually factor in, but these initial findings, along with hospitalisation data is a good thing not something to argue about.

Nobody at any point stated that everything coming out of Israel is 100% facts, but thanks for the bizarre anti Israel interjection.

Again, it's "there" not "their", Mr 'Phd'.

But okay great, then I'm glad you embrace these initial findings.

"A total of 371 out of 715,425 Israelis who passed at least a week after receiving two doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine have contracted the virus – 0.04%, with 16 being sent to the hospital

Over the same period of time, some 8,250 new cases of COVID-19 emerged in the control group of some 900,000 people having a diverse health profile. Those who were not inoculated were therefore 11 times more likely to get the disease than those who were immunized, showing 92% effectiveness."

This is based on data from hundreds of thousands of vaccinated and unvaccinated (control group) individuals, not some mad Jewish lie. It would make sense that they would analyse the impact of vaccination and that is what one of their biggest health organisations is currently doing and the results are pretty stark so far. It's worth noting that it's also very close in terms of efficacy to Pfizers own study. I'm sure there will be more follow up data before long.

Well of course...

Thanks for sharing your wisdom. You're a real oracle.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Feb 2021 3.10am)

Average age of people seriously ill with covid in Israel hospitals plotted against vaccine rollout.

Though we have a more mixed picture with regards to multiple vaccines being used here hopefully we'll start to see many of these changes too. Keeping hospitalisations down is clearly key and something we should all be pleased to see here or abroad.

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Thanks very much Bristol. Due to Israel's unique position of vaccinating large swathes of their population before other nations, it's certainly the place to look to for indications of what is to come.

I was tempted to ask the same question of Dr Mort.

And, in addition, the logic that says it's only worth the vulnerable getting vaccinated. That would appear to result in a constant state of pandemic with no way out.

Furthermore, what is new about the way the Phase 4 tests are being done. They are always done once a vaccine goes live.

Edited by Mapletree (18 Feb 2021 2.10pm)

Why does it always come to this on HOL whatever subject is discussed?

Argument, counter argument, insults and no resolution. What an utter waste of time and resources.

I wish to ask a question if permitted.

My second dose of the Pfizer is due on March 4th which is 12 weeks since the first. Much medical opinion (WHO, BMA and Pfizer themselves) is that there is no guarantee of immunity after 6 weeks.

The government's heralded triumph of first dose vaccinations looks impressive but belies a possible unintended consequence of possible infection incurred between 6 and 12 weeks.

We are unasked guinea pigs and any vaccine 'certificate' or 'passport' subsequently issued in the UK is likely to be rejected by other countries (certainly by Israel) as worthless as the stipulated
3 week gap has not been followed.

I shall be very annoyed if I turn up at an airport and get turned away as not having proof of vaccination !