While I certainly dislike people using a person's religion against them without any addition information, I'm not terribly keen on Islamophobia being deemed a 'social evil' so agree with rejecting the definition. Ultimately religion isn't something innate or unchangable, like race or sexuality. It's a belief in something. A whole selection of beliefs rather.. and so disliking or assessing a set of beliefs this way or that shouldn't be taboo.

Yep. The more you think about Islam, the more and more ridiculous it seems in today’s world. And there lies further problems. You criticise it, your life is in danger. Notice the ridiculousness of it?

Biiiig delay on this, but here goes. Been living life rather than wallowing in the despair and amoeba rich density of this forum

I come from a world where image, message and PR are paramount. Politics is savage. He is a political figure whether he likes it or not. Clever people get it, and are successful. Stupid people don't and continually make the same or new mistakes and eventually die off. As always.

He is continually making entirely avoidable mistakes considering the context of his situation and getting too emotional, plus putting together hatchet job journalism on issues that could actually have been very powerfully exposed (BBC prime example – 'take down the BBC' haha. Maybe take a Youtube editing class or get someone who knows what they are doing to put a program together). He is clearly not cut out to be a successful leader. A pioneer in some eyes, maybe. Leader, no way. Sacrifical lamb, yes.

Who else is pushing back? His followers. People who share the same viewpoint. Someone will eventually appear that is actually clever enough to know how to build their argument and therefore this 'movement' in a credible and attractive fashion. That does not mean it needs to appeal to the middle classes. It does need to do more than just casually appeal to his entire potential audience AND those on the fence. You need passionate involvement on a mass scale. Not happening now.

I don't have the answer to 'like' but someone will emerge IF the issue is that pressing. At the moment it's clearly not but that may well change. If I believed everything you said then it will, but I'm yet to be convinced. As we've discussed before, people simply aren't uncomfortable enough (yet).

Throwing a milkshake on someone is not exactly like being punched in the face. Therefore there are ways to respond that are proportional to the initial offence committed. We all know that. Technically yes it's assault, but, yet again, as well all know very well there are degrees of being assaulted. If I went out and threw a milkshake (note, McDonalds definitely have milk in their milkshakes) over a random person in the street I reckon at best I'd get a fine or caution for common assault and maybe criminal damage at a stretch. If I threw it over the queen, or a figure of importance? Immediate prison. Also knowing a copper it is insanely easy to get off scot free. Also, if it were the other way around I'm sure some snow flaking would be occurring right now, 'it was only a milkshake etc. etc.' I get the he's always under threat narrative but sometimes just have a little pause before being partisan.

True. I think I'll pop over to Brunei and announce that I'm gay and want a bacon sandwich and bottle of wine