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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 10 Nov 18 9.13am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

It has been branded the 'Singing section' when we are all aware this is a euphemism for 'HF section'.In the final analysis the HF have protested by their actions in not continuing their support from Block B and have got what they want.

And, having done so, the next important question is what will they want next?

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Nov 18 9.43am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

It has been branded the 'Singing section' when we are all aware this is a euphemism for 'HF section'.In the final analysis the HF have protested by their actions in not continuing their support from Block B and have got what they want.

The whole tier should be reset. I think this is going to be farcical for at least one season, probably quite a few more. Parish doesn’t want to upset any more people himself now, so is limiting it to 400, and in time there’ll be seat swaps so fans in B or C who want to sing can swap with fans who don’t want to sing in F or D. But I don’t think the sight lines are going to be affected by a back half of E standing as people think. It may only be a square patch by the corner flag and penalty box that’s obscured.

I don’t think you can say the HF have got what they want. I think the club don’t want to take on too much or upset any more than a minimum, however, more probably won’t be happy with how it turns out, with 400 singers surrounded by quiet sitters and standers with the other singers over at the corner flag blocks of B and A.

Having 250 added to the HF regulars I’m not happy with, but I suspect if you’re in B block or they recognise you from away games you’d get in the 400 if you asked. I don’t buy that 250 mates suddenly want to buy a ST because they’ve moved to the centre. Some might and gradually add to the numbers but not instantly.

 


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tinribzzz Flag BROMLEY 10 Nov 18 9.55am Send a Private Message to tinribzzz Add tinribzzz as a friend

It's crazy because at one stage so many people seemed bbehind it because they wanted the HF back instantly, but now everyone's finally realised they are gone fill next year everyone seems against the plan. I think we can all understand it's not fair on those in block E, but if the club want a singing section then can't we just accept it now.

 

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tinribzzz Flag BROMLEY 10 Nov 18 9.57am Send a Private Message to tinribzzz Add tinribzzz as a friend

And additionally the atmosphere is our 12th man imo, whilst we've had a poor home record since we've been up, we haven't won a single game at home yet this season!

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 18 10.06am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The whole tier should be reset. I think this is going to be farcical for at least one season, probably quite a few more. Parish doesn’t want to upset any more people himself now, so is limiting it to 400, and in time there’ll be seat swaps so fans in B or C who want to sing can swap with fans who don’t want to sing in F or D. But I don’t think the sight lines are going to be affected by a back half of E standing as people think. It may only be a square patch by the corner flag and penalty box that’s obscured.

I don’t think you can say the HF have got what they want. I think the club don’t want to take on too much or upset any more than a minimum, however, more probably won’t be happy with how it turns out, with 400 singers surrounded by quiet sitters and standers with the other singers over at the corner flag blocks of B and A.

Having 250 added to the HF regulars I’m not happy with, but I suspect if you’re in B block or they recognise you from away games you’d get in the 400 if you asked. I don’t buy that 250 mates suddenly want to buy a ST because they’ve moved to the centre. Some might and gradually add to the numbers but not instantly.

My comment was made on the basis that the HF wanted to move to Block B and their wishes have been granted.

This whole 'Singing section' has been created with the acceptance that they will all stand persistently and that the club will simply not enforce the ground regulations.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Nov 18 10.13am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by tinribzzz

It's crazy because at one stage so many people seemed bbehind it because they wanted the HF back instantly, but now everyone's finally realised they are gone fill next year everyone seems against the plan. I think we can all understand it's not fair on those in block E, but if the club want a singing section then can't we just accept it now.

Have you asked the 17,000 approx season ticket holders?

‘Everyone’ is not against it.

 


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tinribzzz Flag BROMLEY 10 Nov 18 10.29am Send a Private Message to tinribzzz Add tinribzzz as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Have you asked the 17,000 approx season ticket holders?

‘Everyone’ is not against it.

Perhaps I am basing my findings on the general consensus of the Holmesdale.net and BBS. But even on here before there was backing for the HF but as soon as people realised that they weren't coming back this season it appears most people think "f**k them".

I for one am for the singing section or "HF Section". You've only got to look at the wonderful displays and tributes they've organised over the years to see they are something great for the premier league.

I'm sure the players are grateful for all of the fans that turn up every week but historically they've always ran to that corner when scoring and furthermore there has been occasions over the years when players have actually gone to the HF specific pubs.

Thoughts go out to those in Block E that are being inconvenienced by this, and I will use the word inconvenience because really that's all it is.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 18 10.42am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by tinribzzz

Perhaps I am basing my findings on the general consensus of the Holmesdale.net and BBS. But even on here before there was backing for the HF but as soon as people realised that they weren't coming back this season it appears most people think "f**k them".

I for one am for the singing section or "HF Section". You've only got to look at the wonderful displays and tributes they've organised over the years to see they are something great for the premier league.

I'm sure the players are grateful for all of the fans that turn up every week but historically they've always ran to that corner when scoring and furthermore there has been occasions over the years when players have actually gone to the HF specific pubs.

Thoughts go out to those in Block E that are being inconvenienced by this, and I will use the word inconvenience because really that's all it is.

Try telling that to the loyal season-ticket holders who have occupied their seats for many,many years and are now being re-located to accommodate what they probably view as an HF who threw a strop, decided not to continue their support as a group in order to force the hand of the club.

Had the club decided to introduce a 'Singing section' in Block B without any pressure from the HF who were content to continue their support from Block B and as such continued to do so this season, I suspect there wouldn't be the same ill-feeling amongst those affected and those not affected but who empathize with those who are.

 

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tinribzzz Flag BROMLEY 10 Nov 18 10.46am Send a Private Message to tinribzzz Add tinribzzz as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Try telling that to the loyal season-ticket holders who have occupied their seats for many,many years and are now being re-located to accommodate what they probably view as an HF who threw a strop, decided not to continue their support as a group in order to force the hand of the club.

Had the club decided to introduce a 'Singing section' in Block B without any pressure from the HF who were content to continue their support from Block B and as such continued to do so this season, I suspect there wouldn't be the same ill-feeling amongst those affected and those not affected but who empathize with those who are.

I completely get your point, but let's look at this another way. What if you have had that seat for 20+ years, surely you can be grateful for having great views for all those years and now give someone else a chance at the seat?

End of the day we all pay the same for a seat in the LH, if once in a blue moon the club decide they want those allocated seats used for a different set of fans ins't that fair? or are the current Block E'ers the only guys that are ever allowed access to those seats because they have had them for a long time?

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 10 Nov 18 11.00am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by tinribzzz

Perhaps I am basing my findings on the general consensus of the Holmesdale.net and BBS. But even on here before there was backing for the HF but as soon as people realised that they weren't coming back this season it appears most people think "f**k them".

I for one am for the singing section or "HF Section". You've only got to look at the wonderful displays and tributes they've organised over the years to see they are something great for the premier league.

I'm sure the players are grateful for all of the fans that turn up every week but historically they've always ran to that corner when scoring and furthermore there has been occasions over the years when players have actually gone to the HF specific pubs.

Thoughts go out to those in Block E that are being inconvenienced by this, and I will use the word inconvenience because really that's all it is.

Sorry, but that is not true, they only started to do that since the HF formed there. Before circa HF, they usually ran to wherever the loudest (home) fans were at the time, be it, Holmesdale, Whitehorse, The Arthur & yes, even Main Stand.

They hardly ever ran to that corner of the ground, as that's where the Away fans were situated. Just saying.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 18 11.01am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by tinribzzz

I completely get your point, but let's look at this another way. What if you have had that seat for 20+ years, surely you can be grateful for having great views for all those years and now give someone else a chance at the seat?

End of the day we all pay the same for a seat in the LH, if once in a blue moon the club decide they want those allocated seats used for a different set of fans ins't that fair? or are the current Block E'ers the only guys that are ever allowed access to those seats because they have had them for a long time?

All down to the circumstances behind such a re-location.

I suspect if long-term supporters were informed that they needed to be moved to accomodate Away supporters as their section was being moved away from a family area or that the away section was adjacent to fervent home supporters resulting in foul-mouthed ordure and aggressive behaviour,our supporters would of course be disappointed but more understanding and less-inclined to get in a hissy fit about their move.

I suspect that they see the HF as protesting, throwing toys out of prams, NOT continuing their support as normal and in doing so forcing the club to give in to their wishes resulting in these long-term season ticket holders having to move elsewhere.

All down to circumstances,events etc etc.

Edited by Willo (10 Nov 2018 11.06am)

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 10 Nov 18 11.16am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Glazed Over

Just to confirm, there's only one group of people who have got rid of "the clubs famous atmosphere".

Nobody seems to be able to clarify why the HF have to move from Block B.

Signing section - tick
Improves atmosphere - tick
Gets good TV coverage - tick
Mentioned regularly by commentators - tick
Existing ST holders sit in this area - tick
Don't have to move long term ST holders from the seats they've had for years to various other parts of the ground, where there is no guarantee the can sit next to family or friends - tick

Why not just reserve 400 seats in Block B for HF?

Cant wait for these HF to get 'removed' from Block E in a few years time when they're too old or too pissed off with the Club to continue singing in this section.

"Sorry son, but you're not loud enough - off to the Sainsburys end for you".

Good post.

We must be the only club that is proposing that you can choose where to sit on the basis of how loud you sing and how many banners you wave.

All this "famous atmosphere" stuff is nonsense, its in our fans imagination.

 

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