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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 07 Mar 24 9.49am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The one good thing about the EU was that when they created it they did have a mechanism for a country to leave. The US does not and forced people at the point of a gun to stay. Imagine sending troops into Scotland after they voted for independence and the rest of the UK said no way.

Unfortunately the only option left is civil war. It is not likely at the moment but if this divisive politics continue the number of Americans wanting out for entirely different reasons will grow.

Depressing as it is, long term I can only see civil war emerging from the current situation; hopefully a war of words rather than a repeat of the nineteenth century debacle.
California has long been a candidate for succession. It regularly appeared in charts of wealth, often being ahead of many sizeable countries and their economies. But I can see many southern states wanting to split away because of the migration crisis; Abbot sending migrants to sanctuary cities is focusing the problem more but at some point something has to break. Either Trump gets in and sorts out the problem or Biden continues down the path of having his strings pulled by those we cannot see and the border problem becomes intolerable, forcing a split.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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silvertop Flag Portishead 07 Mar 24 10.20am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I see no lack of tolerance by Democrats for “the other side”! Quite the reverse actually. They put up with a lot.

What I see is the law gradually working its way through due process to deal with an ex President who thinks he is above the law and is trying to circumvent the law.

I see some democratically elected politicians and officials doing their best to make sure those efforts don’t succeed whilst others try to make sure they do.

One side is right. The other is wrong. I know right from wrong and therefore what side I am on.

I know I generally agree your posts - or at least the angle they come from - but I am disagreeing with you twice in as many days.

I think this statement about the law is the image the Democrats are desperate to foster, but the US public are not buying it, save those where the door to push is already open.

If he committed tax fraud in his business dealings and they can prove it to the criminal standard, then throw the book. However, the Stormy Daniels thing would not have seen the light of day but for the identity of the Defendant (the Democrat prosecutor has all but admitted it is politically motivated). And as for the recent farce of seeking to stop him stand, that was a foolhardy, self-defeating tactic that indicates a great deal of naiveté at the DNC.

 

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Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 07 Mar 24 10.56am Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Trumps is going to win and will be back as POTUS.

He has absolutely huge support and the more they try and suppress him and with each additional charge or indictment, his support grows further.

Coupled with the fact that Biden isn’t even fit for office NOW, never mind well enough to run for another term.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 07 Mar 24 11.11am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The Founding Fathers were trying to design a democratic process to elect a national leader at a time when most countries were ruled by kings or dictators.

They did not anticipate political parties becoming the norm otherwise they might not have gone for an electoral college.

The big problem they had was how does the voter know who to pick. No TV or modern media the news would take weeks or months to travel across country and no local party office to spread the good word about the candidate.

The Electoral College is just a proxy vote.

So hick farmer votes for a local prominent person someone they trust and who is knowledgeable has traveled and may even know the candidate. That person then votes for the candidate.

By the way a member of the Electoral College can vote for who they like. So say Biden wins a state with 10 Electoral Votes it is possible that one or more of those could pick Trump. There would be legal challenges but it is not a legal slam dunk that just because Biden won that state all the votes are his.

As you say with political parties and mass media this system is no linger fit for purpose and should just be a national election directly voting for the candidate.

The founding fathers asked George Washington to be King at one point

Surely no one can consider Biden to be capable of a second term

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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silvertop Flag Portishead 07 Mar 24 4.28pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Trumps is going to win and will be back as POTUS.

He has absolutely huge support and the more they try and suppress him and with each additional charge or indictment, his support grows further.

Coupled with the fact that Biden isn’t even fit for office NOW, never mind well enough to run for another term.

The Democrats had their chance for Biden to step down with grace, but they are now far too late.

I wonder if they genuinely believed the legal actions would break Trump so no need to change. After all, the US public - especially the law and order loving Republicans who support him - would never vote for a convicted/charged criminal/fraud. Would they?

If so, a colossal blunder for the incumbent party.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Mar 24 5.11pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Depressing as it is, long term I can only see civil war emerging from the current situation; hopefully a war of words rather than a repeat of the nineteenth century debacle.
California has long been a candidate for succession. It regularly appeared in charts of wealth, often being ahead of many sizeable countries and their economies. But I can see many southern states wanting to split away because of the migration crisis; Abbot sending migrants to sanctuary cities is focusing the problem more but at some point something has to break. Either Trump gets in and sorts out the problem or Biden continues down the path of having his strings pulled by those we cannot see and the border problem becomes intolerable, forcing a split.

This time however it is not just one side wanting to split from the other. It seems that some Democrats are just as unhappy as some republicans and believe their state or group of states would be better off alone. So I can see a situation where Texas which briefly was an independent country tries to pull away which in turn provokes blue states to also demand the same.

The run up to the civil war was about 40 years of congress and the President trying to stick their finger in the dyke, everyone could see it coming.

Edited by Badger11 (07 Mar 2024 5.13pm)

 


One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Mar 24 5.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not according to the Supreme Court.

Still you have a track record of claiming to be in the right when the courts say otherwise.


The Supreme Court are expressing an opinion on a matter for which many opinions exist.

I was involved in an incident for which facts exist. Only 2 people know those facts, one being me. The Judge didn’t know any more than you do, or any other poster does.

The Court didn’t say I was wrong. It allowed the claimant the benefit of the doubt. I though know they were lying and committing insurance fraud.

You can choose to disbelieve me if that makes you feel better but it doesn’t change the facts that I know and neither the Court nor you does.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Mar 24 5.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

The Democrats had their chance for Biden to step down with grace, but they are now far too late.

I wonder if they genuinely believed the legal actions would break Trump so no need to change. After all, the US public - especially the law and order loving Republicans who support him - would never vote for a convicted/charged criminal/fraud. Would they?

If so, a colossal blunder for the incumbent party.

I don’t think they are too late at all. I think it will all be revealed at the Convention.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Mar 24 5.50pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


The Supreme Court are expressing an opinion on a matter for which many opinions exist.

I was involved in an incident for which facts exist. Only 2 people know those facts, one being me. The Judge didn’t know any more than you do, or any other poster does.

The Court didn’t say I was wrong. It allowed the claimant the benefit of the doubt. I though know they were lying and committing insurance fraud.

You can choose to disbelieve me if that makes you feel better but it doesn’t change the facts that I know and neither the Court nor you does.

Yes but their opinion is the only one that matters, I think that's why they call it The Supreme Court.

 


One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Mar 24 5.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I know I generally agree your posts - or at least the angle they come from - but I am disagreeing with you twice in as many days.

I think this statement about the law is the image the Democrats are desperate to foster, but the US public are not buying it, save those where the door to push is already open.

If he committed tax fraud in his business dealings and they can prove it to the criminal standard, then throw the book. However, the Stormy Daniels thing would not have seen the light of day but for the identity of the Defendant (the Democrat prosecutor has all but admitted it is politically motivated). And as for the recent farce of seeking to stop him stand, that was a foolhardy, self-defeating tactic that indicates a great deal of naiveté at the DNC.

I think the Democrats wish these cases weren’t taking place as they are great publicity for Trump who can portray himself as a victim rather than be seen as he really is. An enemy of democracy and morality.

They cannot though stop them on precisely the grounds Trump accuses them of. To stop them would require them to interfere politically in the process of the law.

That various States thought he ought not be on their ballot papers makes perfect sense to me. He tried to overturn a legitimate election result! No one who tries to do that should ever be permitted to run again.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Mar 24 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yes but their opinion is the only one that matters, I think that's why they call it The Supreme Court.

I don’t challenge that but 3 of their Justices might and we could well see the SC being packed with liberal members shortly before the 2025 inauguration.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 07 Mar 24 6.10pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Quite a bit of this sounds very familiar.


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