Whether it's a Republican or Democrat administration in America matters little when it comes to Israel (donor class).

However, being on the left the Biden administration find themselves in a bind. So true to form they issue largely meaningless words to to attempt to quell their own base....a good portion of which are not Israel's fans and 80 percent of whom want a ceasefire....All while providing Israel with all the financial and military support it needs.....Not calling for a ceasefire while it kills anything that moves around its troops....all in civilian areas of course.

Israel is going to clear out Gaza and the US is going to talk cover while they do it.

Calling for 'concrete steps' to protect civilians is a bit of a joke when it's your missiles that are ensuring the concrete steps land on top of them.

Aside from the humanitarian angle (it's truly awful).....why should we care in the UK?

Well, we don't want hundreds of thousands of refugees from Gaza coming to the UK......We know the usual suspects will be more than willing to push for that.

This mess is between Israel/Palestine and the Americans.

We shouldn't even have sent ships there.....We can't seem to stay out of anything.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2023 9.12am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Who would you rather be mates with. One of a number of lone street toughs, or the bloke who owns everything, puts food on your table and keeps your people safe?

Staying chums with the West while not supporting Israel is sensible, pragmatic policy for Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Saudi, Malaysia, Indonesia etc.

Meanwhile, Iran serves as a very useful wedge to demonize as Shiite nutters thereby keeping the largely Sunni Islamic states on side.

It's why the Gaza issue is so difficult for the diplomatic back channels. As another poster identified my error, Hamas are Sunni. Careful steps have to be taken.

I'd agree.

The problem the US have is that they are correctly perceived as basically Israel's protector and hence can't act as an honest broker.....the Arabs know that Israel couldn't wipe out Gaza without America's 3.8 billion of arms to Israel every year.

Whatever Israel does that upsets the Arabs the US now get the blame for as well.

When Blinken got off the plane in Israel after the Hamas attacks and started talking about being a Jew and the Holocaust I thought, 'doesn't this clown know he's going to flying to Saudi and Egypt?'

Honestly I have no idea how these people get into such powerful positions......When you look at the past to figures like Kissinger and disagree with stuff at least the man was smart.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We can agree on that in hindsight. The Australians did not pursue that policy and I expect this is a decision that repeatedly comes back to haunt them.

I have read nothing about what likely informed Wilson's decision but I expect it may have been motivated by economics and pay back for Eisenhower shafting us on Suez.

That said, we have spent the following decades kowtowing to our big brother to get back into his good books. History will judge us on that.

There is a Pro-Palestine demo/march planned for Remembrance Sunday in central London. It won't end well & god help them if they disrupt or worse, desecrate any of the memorials. The Met haven't got enough people to police it or intervene & stop any potential disruption. Not just London either.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

All starting to sound a bit ugly from Lebanon. Hezbollah making threats.