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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 23 11.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Another myth. Most of the people who come here are not any more qualified for employment than those we have here already. Some might do jobs that Brits don't want to do, but a large proportion don't work at all or don't pay any tax. Around 3 million migrants have come here in three years. That is 4.5% of the population. Why do we still have unemployment? How many have left? Especially those from the EU? How many are students, most of whom leave after their studies? They pay fees to be here. Some also work and some also stay but they are often very bright people who bring great benefits to us. How many are family members of those working in shortage occupations, who are either too young to work or not yet allowed to by their visa restrictions? You don’t get a visa to come here easily or for no reason. The NHS in particular are having to recruit all the time just to ensure their staffing, already stretched, doesn’t fall to crisis levels. You have a seriously distorted view of the average immigrant.
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| BrentisBack Beckenham 24 Nov 23 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'd rather a knuckle dragger than a knee bender. Why can’t you be neither? Or both?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 23 11.20pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Like all those who went home so this skills shortage could be blamed on Brexit. Many went, some didn’t and others who did came back under the new arrangements. What Brexit has done is change the sources we use to get our labour from. A local farm here used to get their pickers from Portugal. They tried, after Brexit, to recruit locally, with campaigns on TV and radio. They recruited 37 new workers as a result. This is unskilled, piece work, in the fields in all weather. After a month only 1 was still working. Now they recruit from Kazakstan and provide basic accommodation. You never see these people in the area. They are too busy working, often 7 days a week. At the same time there are local people complaining about the lack of opportunities and how difficult it is to live on benefits. There is work, but until we find ways to require people to do it, we will go on having to bring in those who will.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Nov 23 11.27pm |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
Why can’t you be neither? Or both? Both? Bad back and knees. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Nov 2023 11.28pm)
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Teddy Eagle  24 Nov 23 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Many went, some didn’t and others who did came back under the new arrangements. What Brexit has done is change the sources we use to get our labour from. A local farm here used to get their pickers from Portugal. They tried, after Brexit, to recruit locally, with campaigns on TV and radio. They recruited 37 new workers as a result. This is unskilled, piece work, in the fields in all weather. After a month only 1 was still working. Now they recruit from Kazakstan and provide basic accommodation. You never see these people in the area. They are too busy working, often 7 days a week. At the same time there are local people complaining about the lack of opportunities and how difficult it is to live on benefits. There is work, but until we find ways to require people to do it, we will go on having to bring in those who will. Who knew there were that many farms in London.
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| Teddy Eagle 24 Nov 23 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Both? Bad back and knees. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Nov 2023 11.28pm) And you'd look like Max Wall.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Nov 23 11.33pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And you'd look like Max Wall. I do already, it's the secret to my remarkable success with blind women.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Nov 23 12.05am |
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Britain, before the neoliberals and left destroyed it.....But the Tories take some of the blame too, starting with Churchill's fifties administration and from there Eden's government. [Tweet Link]
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Nov 23 12.30am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How many have left? Especially those from the EU? How many are students, most of whom leave after their studies? They pay fees to be here. Some also work and some also stay but they are often very bright people who bring great benefits to us. How many are family members of those working in shortage occupations, who are either too young to work or not yet allowed to by their visa restrictions? You don’t get a visa to come here easily or for no reason. The NHS in particular are having to recruit all the time just to ensure their staffing, already stretched, doesn’t fall to crisis levels. You have a seriously distorted view of the average immigrant. According to an immigration expert mate of mine, their firm’s biggest business is shop keepers. Have you seen what is on the shortage list? Post Brexit immigration has really ramped up. The government is doing this on purpose. When you don’t invest in new tech, equipment and training you easily become addicted to cheap imported labour. Quickest way to line the pockets of the capital owning classes. The only way to change would involve long term planning
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Nov 23 12.40am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
According to an immigration expert mate of mine, their firm’s biggest business is shop keepers. Have you seen what is on the shortage list? Post Brexit immigration has really ramped up. The government is doing this on purpose. When you don’t invest in new tech, equipment and training you easily become addicted to cheap imported labour. Quickest way to line the pockets of the capital owning classes. The only way to change would involve long term planning So is accepting large-scale immigration a humanitarian action or is it more exploitation of needy people?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 25 Nov 23 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How many have left? Especially those from the EU? How many are students, most of whom leave after their studies? They pay fees to be here. Some also work and some also stay but they are often very bright people who bring great benefits to us. How many are family members of those working in shortage occupations, who are either too young to work or not yet allowed to by their visa restrictions? You don’t get a visa to come here easily or for no reason. The NHS in particular are having to recruit all the time just to ensure their staffing, already stretched, doesn’t fall to crisis levels. You have a seriously distorted view of the average immigrant. Look around you man. But of course you live in fluffy White Cornwall.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 25 Nov 23 11.46am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How many have left? Especially those from the EU? How many are family members of those working in shortage occupations, who are either too young to work or not yet allowed to by their visa restrictions? You don’t get a visa to come here easily or for no reason. The NHS in particular are having to recruit all the time just to ensure their staffing, already stretched, doesn’t fall to crisis levels. You have a seriously distorted view of the average immigrant. Did you not see the numbers then? Mrs May said there were 3.5m EU citizens in the UK circa 2017, when they closed the residency scheme 5.5m EU citizens had been granted the right to stay. So much for the mass flight of EU citizens.
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