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 cryrst  The garden of England 08 Apr 22 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Good thing that's not what I'm suggesting. Can someone of about 60 explain to me why bills are going up so significantly while energy companies post profits into the billions? So if they dropped their prices to allow a profit lower than they are getting it would do what?
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Rudi Hedman  Caterham 08 Apr 22 6.45pm |
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I don’t know how much the energy problem affects french government debt but their debt burden will be as huge as it was 14 years and will continue to be because they treat everyone with the maximum support and perks you could expect in almost every situation with things like maternity and paternity leave and job losses. Somewhere that has to be paid for and it isn’t via a windfall tax. Last time France tried that their rich citizens landed in Londinium. I do agree that the government should tax the energy firms more, but let’s not pretend France have mastered running their country and finances just because something they’ve done (nationalising energy) has eventually worked out right now. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Apr 2022 6.47pm)
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| cryrst The garden of England 08 Apr 22 7.32pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don’t know how much the energy problem affects french government debt but their debt burden will be as huge as it was 14 years and will continue to be because they treat everyone with the maximum support and perks you could expect in almost every situation with things like maternity and paternity leave and job losses. Somewhere that has to be paid for and it isn’t via a windfall tax. Last time France tried that their rich citizens landed in Londinium. I do agree that the government should tax the energy firms more, but let’s not pretend France have mastered running their country and finances just because something they’ve done (nationalising energy) has eventually worked out right now. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Apr 2022 6.47pm) Well at least the UK wont be bunging them 13 billion
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| BlueJay UK 08 Apr 22 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You’ve got to wonder what goes on behind the scenes in the Tory party and government with them and the chancellor being unprepared for 1) The public finding out about his wife’s non dom status avoiding millions in tax (while living in Downing Street and using Britain’s facilities/services) It is legal but when you’re imposing taxes and tougher financial constraints on people who vote for you? Forget being PM in future. 2) The Sunak’s holding US green cards until more than a year into being chancellor. This can enable them to pay US tax rather than British taxes. Did nobody know or see or hear this coming? This was clearly held back for maximum effect at a time when Sunak makes unfavourable decisions on tax. The whole lot of them are hypocrites with their snouts in the trough. The obvious cronyism going on probably explains why none of this was ever spoken about or corrected with payments to HMRC. No sympathy for Sunak. You can’t be a hypocrite in his position and expect to be untouchable. Rishi Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income - [Link]
Edited by BlueJay (08 Apr 2022 7.34pm)
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 08 Apr 22 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Rishi Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income - [Link]
Edited by BlueJay (08 Apr 2022 7.34pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Apr 22 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well at least the UK wont be bunging them 13 billion Not just France, but the UK will be paying the EU the 40 billions divorce bill over the next few years and losing in many other ways. We have no trading relationship with the EU and trade has dropped by 15%, even Sunak has had to admit it. Brexit is making deep inroads to our economy. The NI contributions increase for example should have been covered by the 350 millions a week for the NHS. It never existed of course, it included Thatcher's rebate anyway. We left but are still a net contributor for precisely nothing. 'One man's bus slogan is another man's tax increase'.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Apr 22 8.13pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Rishi Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income - [Link]
Edited by BlueJay (08 Apr 2022 7.34pm) The damage has been done for me. I can’t vote for any of this lot now. Not until they’ve all been replaced. If you’re going to run the country then you’d better be pretty clean. The hypocrisy and cronyism stinks and it’s costing everyone.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Apr 22 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The damage has been done for me. I can’t vote for any of this lot now. Not until they’ve all been replaced. If you’re going to run the country then you’d better be pretty clean. The hypocrisy and cronyism stinks and it’s costing everyone. Are we supposed to be grateful to her or something? It is beyond a joke.
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| BlueJay UK 08 Apr 22 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The damage has been done for me. I can’t vote for any of this lot now. Not until they’ve all been replaced. If you’re going to run the country then you’d better be pretty clean. The hypocrisy and cronyism stinks and it’s costing everyone. Join the club! I've not voted for a while now, and 'try' to primarily pour my energy into (non political) local life, efforts, and people. At least that way you can see something akin to results. On a national level it's all too often pantomime with us being the mugs buying tickets to watch it on repeat. May as well tune them out, though easier said than done!
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Apr 22 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So if they dropped their prices to allow a profit lower than they are getting it would do what? I can't believe I have to explain this, but it would mean we're not all hit with a monstrous increase in cost. I really don't understand your position - mass poverty, people not being able to turn their heating on in one of the richest countries in the world, but you're happy as long as the energy companies get to make billions out of it (and not even pay a decent tax rate on that) We're being taken for an absolute ride, and you're cheering it on.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Apr 22 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don’t know how much the energy problem affects french government debt but their debt burden will be as huge as it was 14 years and will continue to be because they treat everyone with the maximum support and perks you could expect in almost every situation with things like maternity and paternity leave and job losses. Somewhere that has to be paid for and it isn’t via a windfall tax. Last time France tried that their rich citizens landed in Londinium. I do agree that the government should tax the energy firms more, but let’s not pretend France have mastered running their country and finances just because something they’ve done (nationalising energy) has eventually worked out right now. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Apr 2022 6.47pm) There was no comment about the French government or their finances beyond the utility comparison. I can't claim to know a great deal about French finances, but at a glance their citizens seem to benefit from far more protections and support than we ever have, and whilst you seem to position it as a bad thing, it seems they have a government who are held to account and actually try to improve the lives of the population. Our government is failing to do that in even the most basic of ways.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 09 Apr 22 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What he did actually pledge (not a made-up fantasy) is to nationalise utilities which seems an eminently sensible idea given the rises we now face. France have capped price rises at 4%... Except that it then has to be paid for via taxation, while being run with far less efficiency.
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