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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 May 21 8.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
And it does matter. If France implodes, there is a real potential fall out for the UK. It's our own misunderstanding of French history to think that this is particularly unusual about France. Even in 'The Day of the Jackal' you get a glimpse of some of this. Then largely Algeria. The military upset with De Gaulle, The Pieds Noir protesting (the French Algerians), I think Le Buerre (I hope I haven't offended by getting this wrong) were mixed race people wanting equal rights in France. A whole lot of protests, violence, bombs, riots, kidnappings - and also political shenanigans, particularly from De Gaulle (who was a nationalist). Those aren't exactly the only times either. Even Sarkozy should be in prison! That's nowhere near the end of the political scandal, but, as you say - we hear little about it. (For an eye opener look into the sports minister and French rugby). France is famously corrupt but seems to have, wrongly, thrown off that perception recently.
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Spiderman Horsham 13 May 21 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
Barnier is talking about non-EU migration, which has nothing to do with 'brexit' as that was all to do with EU migration. In fact the UK has had more immigration from outside the EU every year since EU membership that migration from within the EU. The terrorism events in the UK were cause by mostly British citizens not EU expats. You seem desperate to twist anything into an anti-EU agenda and even stoop low enough to post a link from a right wing, racist media channel such as the Express, who is anti-EU in every way. Must try harder, 1 out of 10. Edited by Orange1290 (12 May 2021 11.15am) What I have always found amusing about EU migration figures is that, when EU passengers arrived in the UK, they were not counted, not asked why they were entering, so impossible to quote true figures. If the figures are based on those registering with the HO, they are worthless as a high percentage never bothered to do that. Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 9.19am)
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Orange1290 13 May 21 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
What I have always found amusing about EU migration figures is that, when EU passengers arrived in the UK, they were not counted, not asked why they were entering, so impossible to quote true figures. If the figures are based on those registering with the HO, they are worthless as a high percentage never bothered to do that. Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 9.19am)
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Spiderman Horsham 13 May 21 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
I agree the Immigration system has been lacking with regard to EU nationals, possibly incompetence stemming from incompetent senior management, perhaps successive UK Governments have not wanted true numbers to be recorded?It has always been a requirement but never followed up. Having said that with no details being collected on arrival (freedom of movement) impossible to locate. An element of this depends on the EU citizen being prepared to “play by the rules”. I know nothing about your situation but if you had travelled from one EU country to another, you would not have gone through Immigration checks, so your new host country presumably would not know of your presence and relied upon you registering yourself? You played by the rules, many dont
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Orange1290 13 May 21 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I agree the Immigration system has been lacking with regard to EU nationals, possibly incompetence stemming from incompetent senior management, perhaps successive UK Governments have not wanted true numbers to be recorded?It has always been a requirement but never followed up. Having said that with no details being collected on arrival (freedom of movement) impossible to locate. An element of this depends on the EU citizen being prepared to “play by the rules”. I know nothing about your situation but if you had travelled from one EU country to another, you would not have gone through Immigration checks, so your new host country presumably would not know of your presence and relied upon you registering yourself? You played by the rules, many dont Well, you won't get very far in doing anything unless you register. Take Portugal for example, where I registered for a fiscal number last year. It's free, you go into the nearest office, show your passport/Id, existing address in your existing country of residence and some proof like a utility bill in your name. It's nothing to do with taxation. However, to rent a property, buy a property, buy a car, open a bank account, in fact do pretty much anything, you'll be asked for you fiscal number document. Sure, if you want to live totally out of society you could skip this but that will be a very tiny minority of people. The vast majority will need this. Once you get it, they know who you are, where you've come from and the date you applied. This isn't done at immigration but as and when you need it, which for anyone moving to Portugal is normally the first thing you go and get. Many EU countries have similar or variants of this. The UK should have done this decades ago.
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Spiderman Horsham 13 May 21 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
Well, you won't get very far in doing anything unless you register. Take Portugal for example, where I registered for a fiscal number last year. It's free, you go into the nearest office, show your passport/Id, existing address in your existing country of residence and some proof like a utility bill in your name. It's nothing to do with taxation. However, to rent a property, buy a property, buy a car, open a bank account, in fact do pretty much anything, you'll be asked for you fiscal number document. Sure, if you want to live totally out of society you could skip this but that will be a very tiny minority of people. The vast majority will need this. Once you get it, they know who you are, where you've come from and the date you applied. This isn't done at immigration but as and when you need it, which for anyone moving to Portugal is normally the first thing you go and get. Many EU countries have similar or variants of this. The UK should have done this decades ago. Yes they should. In the U.K. a production of an EU passport or national ID card has sufficed. My son shared a house with an EU National and that is all that was needed. Why the U.K. has never done this is open to debate, but don’t underestimate the influence of the HR brigade! Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 11.23am)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 May 21 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
What I have always found amusing about EU migration figures is that, when EU passengers arrived in the UK, they were not counted, not asked why they were entering, so impossible to quote true figures. If the figures are based on those registering with the HO, they are worthless as a high percentage never bothered to do that. Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 9.19am) Britain was just trying to have EU Freedom of Movement in its truest form. All the other states should be ashamed of themselves for building a wall of bureaucracy. UK: Champions of free movement.
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Orange1290 13 May 21 11.40am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Yes they should. In the U.K. a production of an EU passport or national ID card has sufficed. My son shared a house with an EU National and that is all that was needed. Why the U.K. has never done this is open to debate, but don’t underestimate the influence of the HR brigade! Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 11.23am)
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Spiderman Horsham 13 May 21 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
I am well aware of that but old style Italian ID cards can still be used until they are eventually phased out. These type of cards should never have been used for ID purposes was my point.
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Spiderman Horsham 13 May 21 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Britain was just trying to have EU Freedom of Movement in its truest form. All the other states should be ashamed of themselves for building a wall of bureaucracy. UK: Champions of free movement. I think there may be an element of truth in what you say
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Orange1290 13 May 21 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I think there may be an element of truth in what you say
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Spiderman Horsham 13 May 21 12.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
I am only commenting from my first hand experience of working at border Control. Strict instructions from Senior Management not to interview arriving EU nationals ( unless intel suggested otherwise), Was this the right approach? Not in my eyes but there again, the queues at the border would have been out of control, if every EU national had been interviewed in depth and we know what people think of border control queues don’t we! Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 4.44pm)
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