If someone takes the time to put together a post refuting the incorrect claim that "Incorrect their is no data to back up those claims with regards to this vaccine" it would have been nice for you not to gloss over it with such a flippant reply or suggestion that these findings are tabloid lies. It shows that you have little interest beyond your own set feelings on the matter.

- The jpost.com post contains results of studies carried out by both Pfizer and Maccabi Healthcare Services – one of the country’s four health maintenance organizations (as does the timesofisrael.com article)

- The Sky News article relates to the findings of an Oxford University study

- The other link I posted was to a direct study relating to the transmission and viral load link in the Lancet (maybe your wife has heard of it). Which slots neatly into the fact that the vaccine lowers viral load.

If I'd just posted five Lancet styles blocks of text it's hardly like you'd have read through them line by line. You couldn't even be bothered to read through this one. The articles contain the findings of studies as quoted by those carrying out said research. If you genuinely want to read the full studies they will take you about 30 seconds to find..

I've reference and essentially proved my point. You've provided "my wife says...". Treat yourself and adsorb some real world findings from large scale scientific studies rather than claiming that said findings and facts 'don't exist'. This is not a time to wear blinkers, with so many people being vaccinated daily and so much information to pour over as result.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Feb 2021 7.05pm)

Their is no real data are you people really this dumb it looks like it epidemiology is not real science.

I can make something up using that to suit my own agenda which is what they do.

Quotes of studies meaningless as stated media take snippets to suit their story read the whole studies which they wont link to they have link to a brief of it or summary which again is meaningless.

Will some one who has a qualifications or has worked in this field like myself and wife come out with some real information not what they are being fed all the time (wait you cant because they don't have any it's all from modelling)

I don't provide anything because as I keep saying over and over again their is no data so stop claiming their is when we do not have any this is why they are waiting using every one as a big giant test (poor method no control of anything thats the whole point of proper controlled trials for long periods)

Last thing I did look at the links some of the media place go to and straight away what stands out to a qualified person like myself the wording in science its a yes or no no grey areas and what wording do they use "it is hoped" "hinted to lower" yeah that is real science for you.

If you would like I will rip apart the other ones the lancet ones just as bad plus the data collected was for 1 month only they identified the people based on only pcr test (these are not 100% so straight away invalids participants)

Sorry to say you need to go back to school you clearly dont understand what you are looking at.

But they are this is a big issue and most of them are off pcr test as well which are far from being 100%

Edited by grumpymort (17 Feb 2021 7.44pm)

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Guys, honestly, do you think anyone believes the crap you write on here regardless which side of the fence you sit on?

If anyone does believe you then more the fool them. I can just imagine the conversations,

“Oh, who told you about that?”

“Well, it was this guy on the Palace website”.

Give it a rest will you.

And why are you so convinced that your research is more correct than someone else’s professor?’

The last couple of pages do prove to me the futility of trying to discuss these things. When taking the time to post recent findings to highlight how the vaccine roll out is going becomes a thankless and somehow controversial act resulted in me being harangued in numerous ludicrous and disingenuous ways, it does really make me wonder why I even bother.

This isn't 'my research'. I have simply posted the very recent and emerging large scale data and studies largely based in Israel. I have more than welcomed and in fact asked for any addition data or studies relating to the roll out that other feel is relevant. This is noteworthy news and it gives indication that it may slow the spread, viral load and so on. Not everything is a competition or a side. The data is what it is; I haven't been cherry picking my favourite vaccine studies, this is the available data as it emerges.

A worthwhile read. Thanks!