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highbury eagle Islington 21 Aug 18 11.39am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman A group of fascist black shirts are planning a takeover. Life is the same as it always will be, Easy as picking foxes from a tree. M Bolan
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Islington 21 Aug 18 11.39am

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

A group of fascist black shirts are planning a takeover.

Life is the same as it always will be,
Easy as picking foxes from a tree.
M Bolan

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Olivercd Norbury 21 Aug 18 11.40am
Originally posted by highbury eagle Were they HF or just young men in black t shirts? They were HF... recognise them from the front. West Ham away a couple of seasons back we were right next to them and the drum – seen them grow from their younger selves into who they are now. I have to say I think they are a loss for Palace, but you can't shove 100 people out of their prime position seats and down into a corner. Most people behind the goal have probably been going for many many years to get them. What else can the club do?! People are saying here have a £100 off your next years season ticket and you'll have a worse view for the rest of your life. Ummm, no thanks. The only way the club can fiddle this is to make all the lower safe standing and make everyone re-apply for positions.
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Olivercd

Norbury 21 Aug 18 11.40am

Originally posted by highbury eagle

Were they HF or just young men in black t shirts?

They were HF... recognise them from the front. West Ham away a couple of seasons back we were right next to them and the drum – seen them grow from their younger selves into who they are now.

I have to say I think they are a loss for Palace, but you can't shove 100 people out of their prime position seats and down into a corner. Most people behind the goal have probably been going for many many years to get them. What else can the club do?!

People are saying here have a £100 off your next years season ticket and you'll have a worse view for the rest of your life. Ummm, no thanks.

The only way the club can fiddle this is to make all the lower safe standing and make everyone re-apply for positions.

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fishbone London 21 Aug 18 11.48am
I watch last night game in Cyprus with a few Liverpool fans and they were disappointed with the fact that the hf had been moved, because it does add to the atmosphere in a big way really think the club should have a rethink on this because I felt really proud of hearing people saying that our ground has the best atmosphere in the premier league when they come away from a game!!
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London 21 Aug 18 11.48am

I watch last night game in Cyprus with a few Liverpool fans and they were disappointed with the fact that the hf had been moved, because it does add to the atmosphere in a big way really think the club should have a rethink on this because I felt really proud of hearing people saying that our ground has the best atmosphere in the premier league when they come away from a game!!

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Aug 18 12.17pm
It is a real pity about the loss of atmos'. My view was that the Selhurst atmosphere prior to the HF was often pathetic. It is not acceptable for fans to demand that the club move other fans, nor was it wise for the HF to give up their seats in protest. I feel that the club should see the bigger picture with regard to the matchday atmosphere and image of the club and pay other fans to move seats voluntarily. Ultimately,they do have the right to move fans in the interests of the club, as they have done in the past, and not because of any action by the HF. This is about Crystal Palace FC and not about egos.
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It is a real pity about the loss of atmos'. My view was that the Selhurst atmosphere prior to the HF was often pathetic.
It is not acceptable for fans to demand that the club move other fans, nor was it wise for the HF to give up their seats in protest.
I feel that the club should see the bigger picture with regard to the matchday atmosphere and image of the club and pay other fans to move seats voluntarily. Ultimately,they do have the right to move fans in the interests of the club, as they have done in the past, and not because of any action by the HF. This is about Crystal Palace FC and not about egos.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Aug 18 12.22pm
Originally posted by fishbone I watch last night game in Cyprus with a few Liverpool fans and they were disappointed with the fact that the hf had been moved, because it does add to the atmosphere in a big way really think the club should have a rethink on this because I felt really proud of hearing people saying that our ground has the best atmosphere in the premier league when they come away from a game!! This isn’t a fact. The HF chose to move and split up. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Aug 18 12.22pm

Originally posted by fishbone

I watch last night game in Cyprus with a few Liverpool fans and they were disappointed with the fact that the hf had been moved, because it does add to the atmosphere in a big way really think the club should have a rethink on this because I felt really proud of hearing people saying that our ground has the best atmosphere in the premier league when they come away from a game!!

This isn’t a fact. The HF chose to move and split up.

COYP

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leejaneagles 21 Aug 18 12.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It is a real pity about the loss of atmos'. My view was that the Selhurst atmosphere prior to the HF was often pathetic. It is not acceptable for fans to demand that the club move other fans, nor was it wise for the HF to give up their seats in protest. I feel that the club should see the bigger picture with regard to the matchday atmosphere and image of the club and pay other fans to move seats voluntarily. Ultimately,they do have the right to move fans in the interests of the club, as they have done in the past, and not because of any action by the HF. This is about Crystal Palace FC and not about egos. If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword. It would be dividing the HF with the 'non-important' fans and setting down a marker that the HF are better than everyone else. Then you'd have people protesting and petitioning they should not be moved. I imagine it would cause in-fighting, with a lot of resentment aimed at the HF. People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat. It just isn't feasible. It's massively short-sighted of the HF to do this protest and they must see why it can't be done. Just stay in the corner, it doesn't really matter where you are because you don't watch the game anyway. When the new stadium is built no doubt give them first dibs on where they want to move to. That way you can't say you're kicking people out of seats because it will be a whole new layout.
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leejaneagles

21 Aug 18 12.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword.

It would be dividing the HF with the 'non-important' fans and setting down a marker that the HF are better than everyone else. Then you'd have people protesting and petitioning they should not be moved. I imagine it would cause in-fighting, with a lot of resentment aimed at the HF.

People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat.

It just isn't feasible. It's massively short-sighted of the HF to do this protest and they must see why it can't be done. Just stay in the corner, it doesn't really matter where you are because you don't watch the game anyway. When the new stadium is built no doubt give them first dibs on where they want to move to. That way you can't say you're kicking people out of seats because it will be a whole new layout.

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Medway Eagle Whitstable Kent 21 Aug 18 12.35pm
I do think the club have to find a resolution to the HF seating, The atmosphere yesterday against one of the best teams in the league was abysmal, And in my opinion that was solely down to the HF not being present, People can call them whatever they want, But the fact remains they add so much to the atmosphere, The group was increasing in size, And now we are left with the same as every other club. IMO if last night was anything to go by our atmosphere was mediocre and we have lost so much
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Medway Eagle

Whitstable Kent 21 Aug 18 12.35pm

I do think the club have to find a resolution to the HF seating, The atmosphere yesterday against one of the best teams in the league was abysmal, And in my opinion that was solely down to the HF not being present, People can call them whatever they want, But the fact remains they add so much to the atmosphere, The group was increasing in size, And now we are left with the same as every other club. IMO if last night was anything to go by our atmosphere was mediocre and we have lost so much

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Lyons550 Shirley 21 Aug 18 12.38pm
Originally posted by leejaneagles If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword. It would be dividing the HF with the 'non-important' fans and setting down a marker that the HF are better than everyone else. Then you'd have people protesting and petitioning they should not be moved. I imagine it would cause in-fighting, with a lot of resentment aimed at the HF. People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat. It just isn't feasible. It's massively short-sighted of the HF to do this protest and they must see why it can't be done. Just stay in the corner, it doesn't really matter where you are because you don't watch the game anyway. When the new stadium is built no doubt give them first dibs on where they want to move to. That way you can't say you're kicking people out of seats because it will be a whole new layout. Anythings feasible if approached pragmatically and planned well in advance with good communication...i think one of the fundamental issues was the expectations that the changes would be granted this season...this has to be a planned migration as pointed out in my earlier post with compensation given (in whatever form the club deem necessary) for those who choose to make way. That way the choice lies with those in block C as to whether they want to hold firm or take up the clubs offer; but more importantly the ability to make that decision in their own time. Ultimately clubs change areas all the time affecting season ticket holders...look at those that move away fan sections on a semi regular basis. The club ISN'T beholding to us as fans to keep us in our seats other than for the period we've paid for them. Edited by Lyons550 (21 Aug 2018 12.40pm) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 21 Aug 18 12.38pm

Originally posted by leejaneagles

If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword.

People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat.

Anythings feasible if approached pragmatically and planned well in advance with good communication...i think one of the fundamental issues was the expectations that the changes would be granted this season...this has to be a planned migration as pointed out in my earlier post with compensation given (in whatever form the club deem necessary) for those who choose to make way.

That way the choice lies with those in block C as to whether they want to hold firm or take up the clubs offer; but more importantly the ability to make that decision in their own time.

Ultimately clubs change areas all the time affecting season ticket holders...look at those that move away fan sections on a semi regular basis. The club ISN'T beholding to us as fans to keep us in our seats other than for the period we've paid for them.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Aug 18 12.39pm
Why doesn’t Parish give them the back few rows of the Arfur before the walkway in one of the 2 blocks near the Holmesdale. It would be easy to do, even now. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Aug 18 12.39pm

Why doesn’t Parish give them the back few rows of the Arfur before the walkway in one of the 2 blocks near the Holmesdale. It would be easy to do, even now.

COYP

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Lyons550 Shirley 21 Aug 18 12.41pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Why doesn’t Parish give them the back few rows of the Arfur before the walkway in one of the 2 blocks near the Holmesdale. It would be easy to do, even now. Why doesnt the club for season 2019/20 allocate a singing section in BOTH the AW and the Holmesdale? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 21 Aug 18 12.41pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Why doesn’t Parish give them the back few rows of the Arfur before the walkway in one of the 2 blocks near the Holmesdale. It would be easy to do, even now.

Why doesnt the club for season 2019/20 allocate a singing section in BOTH the AW and the Holmesdale?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Aug 18 12.44pm
Originally posted by leejaneagles If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword. It would be dividing the HF with the 'non-important' fans and setting down a marker that the HF are better than everyone else. Then you'd have people protesting and petitioning they should not be moved. I imagine it would cause in-fighting, with a lot of resentment aimed at the HF. People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat. It just isn't feasible. It's massively short-sighted of the HF to do this protest and they must see why it can't be done. Just stay in the corner, it doesn't really matter where you are because you don't watch the game anyway. When the new stadium is built no doubt give them first dibs on where they want to move to. That way you can't say you're kicking people out of seats because it will be a whole new layout. I agree with the broad thrust of these sentiments. To relocate senior ticket holders, who perhaps have been in their seats for quite a long time, merely to accomodate the HF doesn't appear morally right,not withstanding the fact that the HF continue to stand flouting the regulations - Im not going to get into any debate on this matter as my views are perfectly clear and we don't want the thread to gallivant down this alley.That said, the HF with their fervour, banners and vocal support was missed last night.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Aug 18 12.44pm

Originally posted by leejaneagles

If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword.

People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat.

I agree with the broad thrust of these sentiments.

To relocate senior ticket holders, who perhaps have been in their seats for quite a long time, merely to accomodate the HF doesn't appear morally right,not withstanding the fact that the HF continue to stand flouting the regulations - Im not going to get into any debate on this matter as my views are perfectly clear and we don't want the thread to gallivant down this alley.That said, the HF with their fervour, banners and vocal support was missed last night.

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Aug 18 12.46pm
Originally posted by leejaneagles If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword. It would be dividing the HF with the 'non-important' fans and setting down a marker that the HF are better than everyone else. Then you'd have people protesting and petitioning they should not be moved. I imagine it would cause in-fighting, with a lot of resentment aimed at the HF. People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat. It just isn't feasible. It's massively short-sighted of the HF to do this protest and they must see why it can't be done. Just stay in the corner, it doesn't really matter where you are because you don't watch the game anyway. When the new stadium is built no doubt give them first dibs on where they want to move to. That way you can't say you're kicking people out of seats because it will be a whole new layout. I agree that one fan is no more important than another but this situation is not about that. I believe that everyone has their price and although I would completely support fans wishing to keep their favorite seats, if you offer someone enough money or incentive they will still have a choice to take it or leave it. Season ticket price x 5 for a hundred or so fans is peanuts to a PL club and would be worth it to maintain our good and respected atmosphere.
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Hrolf The Ganger

21 Aug 18 12.46pm

Originally posted by leejaneagles

If the interests of the club are a large united atmosphere then moving people involuntarily would not be in the best interests of the club. It's a double edged sword.

People might have physical altercations if they are now in a corner whilst they see some guy in black with his back to the game in their old prime location seat.

It just isn't feasible. It's massively short-sighted of the HF to do this protest and they must see why it can't be done. Just stay in the corner, it doesn't really matter where you are because you don't watch the game anyway. When the new stadium is built no doubt give them first dibs on where they want to move to. That way you can't say you're kicking people out of seats because it will be a whole new layout.

I agree that one fan is no more important than another but this situation is not about that.
I believe that everyone has their price and although I would completely support fans wishing to keep their favorite seats, if you offer someone enough money or incentive they will still have a choice to take it or leave it.
Season ticket price x 5 for a hundred or so fans is peanuts to a PL club and would be worth it to maintain our good and respected atmosphere.

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