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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Nov 17 1.01am | |
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Originally posted by danny choo choo
Opposition? Slagging tactics??? Do you mean questioning things and highlighting them for what i think they are? No. I think currently Brexit is, but that may change if whoever is in charge sorts it out sharpish.
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Stirlingsays 03 Nov 17 1.02am | |
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Originally posted by danny choo choo
We, as a society, as people, need to be able to call out terrorism for what it is, TERRORISM. It should not be justified or downplayed to make it appear less severe than it is, or to accommodate a political ideology, nor should it be compared to anything as a means of trying explain or justify why it happened. The PC culture of championing victim-hood over values will lead to an increase in the problems we are currently facing, and the only remedy is radical truth, no matter how uncomfortable it may be. Ayaan Hirsi AliA - paraphrase from her book 'Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now'. A brave and wonderful woman who lives under constant threat to her life.
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danny choo choo Hayes 10 Nov 17 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ayaan Hirsi AliA - paraphrase from her book 'Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now'. A brave and wonderful woman who lives under constant threat to her life. Yes she is a very brave women and funnily enough the far left group "hope not hate" describe her as an anti muslim extremist! Haha And it was "hope not hate" who was heavily involved in the not very good itv "exposing the far right" documentary last night, But the fact the FLA was not mentioned speaks volumes for me as the undercover reporter Hazel was in the FLA march and mingling around the 50,000+ people for the whole day! and she could not report any extreme right wing views.
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danny choo choo Hayes 10 Nov 17 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ayaan Hirsi AliA - paraphrase from her book 'Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now'. A brave and wonderful woman who lives under constant threat to her life. Attachment: ayaan-hirsi-ali-fighter-for-freedom-or-just-a-help-for-hanson.htm (509.25Kb)
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legaleagle 10 Nov 17 2.11pm | |
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Originally posted by danny choo choo
No Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment.. Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes. Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time.
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Park Road 10 Nov 17 2.58pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
No Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment.. Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes. Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time. A lot of people fall into the trap that Islam is a religion of peace. In reality, this is a nicety invented by Western politicians so not to offend their Muslim populations or simply lie to themselves that everything might yet turn out fine. The trouble is, since its beginning Islam has been pretty violent.
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elgrande bedford 10 Nov 17 3.04pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
No Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment.. Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes. Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time. This just about sums up the attitude of the left.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
This just about sums up the attitude of the left. Who said it's not a problem?
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hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Nov 17 3.17pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
No Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment.. Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes. Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time. Returning to being a full parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and being able to trade with the whole world once again is a bigger threat to us than terrorists blowing us up on a regular basis. What a strange set of values you have.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 17 3.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
A lot of people fall into the trap that Islam is a religion of peace. In reality, this is a nicety invented by Western politicians so not to offend their Muslim populations or simply lie to themselves that everything might yet turn out fine. The trouble is, since its beginning Islam has been pretty violent. A fair point, that's pretty much applicable to religion - If you have to state overtly how peaceful you are, then chances are you're not peaceful. Bit like how people tell you how they don't actually hate gays, but they're Christians, and so justified in being homophobic c**ts. Islam, Christianity and Judaism, are the big three monotheist bulls**t religions - and they stem from a part of the world where there has been conflict since before they even existed. You had George Bush and Blair talking about god in relation to their war in Iraq. Monotheistic religions have been a problem for people in the UK since the arrival of Christianity. Militancy and monotheistic religion has gone hand in hand for centuries (and there is nothing more dangerous that armed people, fuelled by an absolute moral truth). I think some forms of Islam, notably Sulfist Islamist are a threat to lives in the UK. I don't think they really ever have the capacity to change our way of life and values, unless we let them. Terrorism is a threat to life, but not to the UK as a state or countries existence. There isn't really anything we can do about it, either. We can march or protest, but the reality is that a lot of the groups doing that are a threat to the way of life of the UK - Demanding things like internment (imprisonment without trial), deportation of suspects on the basis of suspicion - effectively undermining British values that have stood since the inception of magna carta. That's why I fear the far right more. Islamist can only kill or wound me. The far right, gaining traction on its 'Islam' propaganda threatens to undermine fundermental British Values, that have stood for centuries.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 17 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No. I think currently Brexit is, but that may change if whoever is in charge sorts it out sharpish. I'd say that's reasonable. Terrorists can kill and maim us, but only we can destroy our selves as a nation or undermine our values and principles.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 17 3.25pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Returning to being a full parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and being able to trade with the whole world once again is a bigger threat to us than terrorists blowing us up on a regular basis. What a strange set of values you have. Yep, especially when people embrace the idealised outcome of Brexit, in which everything is all sunshine rainbows and no consequences, and will deliver magic pie to all, and no consequences what so ever at all. Especially once that human rights act is out of the way. I can't see Islamist terrorism ever destroying our human rights for starters, but sure, it'll be just fine to hand those over to a series of governments that have fallen foul of them since 1998 That couldn't possibly have any consequences... Islamic terrorists are a threat to UK lives, and should be considered a major threat in that regard. They won't however change our way of life.
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