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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Nov 17 1.01am

Originally posted by danny choo choo

Opposition? Slagging tactics??? Do you mean questioning things and highlighting them for what i think they are?
And you say my opposistion to extremism is not universal!! i have stated in this long thread that i cant stand certain things about the torries or labour party, i despise neo Nazis groups who plot to kill mps,i dont like the agenda of the swp ,SUTR ,media and journos,i dislike appologists and the pc brigrade and i think the right wing extremist who murdered Jo Cox is one evil horrible c***!
But i will hold my my hands up and say i think the biggest threat to this country is islamic extremism and the sooner people realise that the better.
so i would like to ask you all do you agree
With my last statement?
YES or NO do yo think islamic extremism is the biggest threat to our country at this time.

No. I think currently Brexit is, but that may change if whoever is in charge sorts it out sharpish.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Nov 17 1.02am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by danny choo choo

We, as a society, as people, need to be able to call out terrorism for what it is, TERRORISM. It should not be justified or downplayed to make it appear less severe than it is, or to accommodate a political ideology, nor should it be compared to anything as a means of trying explain or justify why it happened.

The PC culture of championing victim-hood over values will lead to an increase in the problems we are currently facing, and the only remedy is radical truth, no matter how uncomfortable it may be.

Ayaan Hirsi AliA - paraphrase from her book 'Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now'.

A brave and wonderful woman who lives under constant threat to her life.

 


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danny choo choo Flag Hayes 10 Nov 17 1.10pm Send a Private Message to danny choo choo Add danny choo choo as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ayaan Hirsi AliA - paraphrase from her book 'Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now'.

A brave and wonderful woman who lives under constant threat to her life.

Yes she is a very brave women and funnily enough the far left group "hope not hate" describe her as an anti muslim extremist! Haha

And it was "hope not hate" who was heavily involved in the not very good itv "exposing the far right" documentary last night,
All they did expose some extreme views from the NF/bnp and the neo nazi group which was very uncomfortable watching but nothing we didnt already know, the undercover filming of Ann Marie Walters didnt really show nothing that she hasnt realy said publicly.

But the fact the FLA was not mentioned speaks volumes for me as the undercover reporter Hazel was in the FLA march and mingling around the 50,000+ people for the whole day! and she could not report any extreme right wing views.
Just a shame they couldnt of mentioned that and infact congratulate us but obviously it didnt fit the "hope not hate" agenda.

 

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danny choo choo Flag Hayes 10 Nov 17 1.11pm Send a Private Message to danny choo choo Add danny choo choo as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ayaan Hirsi AliA - paraphrase from her book 'Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now'.

A brave and wonderful woman who lives under constant threat to her life.

Attachment: ayaan-hirsi-ali-fighter-for-freedom-or-just-a-help-for-hanson.htm (509.25Kb)

 

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legaleagle Flag 10 Nov 17 2.11pm

Originally posted by danny choo choo


YES or NO do yo think islamic extremism is the biggest threat to our country at this time.

No

Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment..

Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes.

Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time.

 

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Park Road Flag 10 Nov 17 2.58pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

No

Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment..

Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes.

Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time.

A lot of people fall into the trap that Islam is a religion of peace. In reality, this is a nicety invented by Western politicians so not to offend their Muslim populations or simply lie to themselves that everything might yet turn out fine. The trouble is, since its beginning Islam has been pretty violent.
Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes. Why? See above.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 10 Nov 17 3.04pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

No

Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment..

Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes.

Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time.

This just about sums up the attitude of the left.
Children being blown up at a concert,no problem,people getting killed going out for a meal...not a problem.
Muslim jihadists not a problem.neo nazi idiots,giving it the saliute and dressing like hitler...my god we must stop them,i agree we must stop the neo nazis,but I think the other problem is a tad more urgent.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 3.16pm

Originally posted by elgrande

This just about sums up the attitude of the left.
Children being blown up at a concert,no problem,people getting killed going out for a meal...not a problem.
Muslim jihadists not a problem.neo nazi idiots,giving it the saliute and dressing like hitler...my god we must stop them,i agree we must stop the neo nazis,but I think the other problem is a tad more urgent.

Who said it's not a problem?
I myself think Brexit is the most important thing at the moment. Doesn't mean that's the nation's only issue does it? Why put words into people's mouths just to then shout them down for saying something they haven't said.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 10 Nov 17 3.17pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

No

Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment..

Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes.

Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time.

Returning to being a full parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and being able to trade with the whole world once again is a bigger threat to us than terrorists blowing us up on a regular basis. What a strange set of values you have.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Nov 17 3.18pm

Originally posted by Park Road

A lot of people fall into the trap that Islam is a religion of peace. In reality, this is a nicety invented by Western politicians so not to offend their Muslim populations or simply lie to themselves that everything might yet turn out fine. The trouble is, since its beginning Islam has been pretty violent.
Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes. Why? See above.

A fair point, that's pretty much applicable to religion - If you have to state overtly how peaceful you are, then chances are you're not peaceful. Bit like how people tell you how they don't actually hate gays, but they're Christians, and so justified in being homophobic c**ts.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism, are the big three monotheist bulls**t religions - and they stem from a part of the world where there has been conflict since before they even existed.

You had George Bush and Blair talking about god in relation to their war in Iraq. Monotheistic religions have been a problem for people in the UK since the arrival of Christianity. Militancy and monotheistic religion has gone hand in hand for centuries (and there is nothing more dangerous that armed people, fuelled by an absolute moral truth).

I think some forms of Islam, notably Sulfist Islamist are a threat to lives in the UK. I don't think they really ever have the capacity to change our way of life and values, unless we let them. Terrorism is a threat to life, but not to the UK as a state or countries existence.

There isn't really anything we can do about it, either. We can march or protest, but the reality is that a lot of the groups doing that are a threat to the way of life of the UK - Demanding things like internment (imprisonment without trial), deportation of suspects on the basis of suspicion - effectively undermining British values that have stood since the inception of magna carta.

That's why I fear the far right more. Islamist can only kill or wound me. The far right, gaining traction on its 'Islam' propaganda threatens to undermine fundermental British Values, that have stood for centuries.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Nov 17 3.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

No. I think currently Brexit is, but that may change if whoever is in charge sorts it out sharpish.

I'd say that's reasonable. Terrorists can kill and maim us, but only we can destroy our selves as a nation or undermine our values and principles.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Nov 17 3.25pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Returning to being a full parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and being able to trade with the whole world once again is a bigger threat to us than terrorists blowing us up on a regular basis. What a strange set of values you have.

Yep, especially when people embrace the idealised outcome of Brexit, in which everything is all sunshine rainbows and no consequences, and will deliver magic pie to all, and no consequences what so ever at all.

Especially once that human rights act is out of the way. I can't see Islamist terrorism ever destroying our human rights for starters, but sure, it'll be just fine to hand those over to a series of governments that have fallen foul of them since 1998

That couldn't possibly have any consequences...

Islamic terrorists are a threat to UK lives, and should be considered a major threat in that regard. They won't however change our way of life.

 


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