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Mapletree Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.28pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly ^^ racial profiling ?^^racial stereotyping ?^^racism ? (doesn't count against UK people) Just seems an odd stance to take (for any employer) when a lot of Brits are quite well qualified/experienced. Perhaps Brits want realistic pay, and you prefer hiring people from less-developed countries because they are cheaper and/or more grateful ? You are not involved in the 'Asian Wives' market ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Oct 2017 7.19pm) I don't racially profile, stereotype or engage in racism. And yes, you can be racist against white British. There are employment cases. It is a shame that in my case a lot of Brits aren't quite well qualified or experienced. I have no preference from where I hire, obviously. I am an HR Director. It would be against all of my training, experience and logic. I hire the person most suitably qualified, experienced and motivated. I am outraged that people would assume anything else and have lept in with both feet due to their own prejudices.
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Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.28pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

^^ racial profiling ?^^racial stereotyping ?^^racism ? (doesn't count against UK people)
Just seems an odd stance to take (for any employer) when a lot of Brits are quite well qualified/experienced.
Perhaps Brits want realistic pay, and you prefer hiring people from less-developed countries because they are cheaper and/or more grateful ?

You are not involved in the 'Asian Wives' market ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Oct 2017 7.19pm)

I don't racially profile, stereotype or engage in racism. And yes, you can be racist against white British. There are employment cases.

It is a shame that in my case a lot of Brits aren't quite well qualified or experienced.

I have no preference from where I hire, obviously. I am an HR Director. It would be against all of my training, experience and logic. I hire the person most suitably qualified, experienced and motivated.

I am outraged that people would assume anything else and have lept in with both feet due to their own prejudices.

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Stirlingsays 08 Oct 17 7.35pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I don't racially profile, stereotype or engage in racism. And yes, you can be racist against white British. There are employment cases. It is a shame that in my case a lot of Brits aren't quite well qualified or experienced. I have no preference from where I hire, obviously. I am an HR Director. It would be against all of my training, experience and logic. I hire the person most suitably qualified, experienced and motivated. I am outraged that people would assume anything else and have lept in with both feet due to their own prejudices. A preference for employing from the nation the business is from, should in most cases (excepting understandable situations like foreign food restaurants) be the norm. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Oct 17 7.35pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I don't racially profile, stereotype or engage in racism. And yes, you can be racist against white British. There are employment cases.

It is a shame that in my case a lot of Brits aren't quite well qualified or experienced.

I am outraged that people would assume anything else and have lept in with both feet due to their own prejudices.

A preference for employing from the nation the business is from, should in most cases (excepting understandable situations like foreign food restaurants) be the norm.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 7.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A preference for employing from the nation the business is from, should in most cases (excepting understandable situations like foreign food restaurants) be the norm. Even if they're not up to scratch. That's why McDonnell said we need to upskill Brits before sending foreigners on their way, otherwise we'll be f***ed. (I'm paraphrasing)
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Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 7.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A preference for employing from the nation the business is from, should in most cases (excepting understandable situations like foreign food restaurants) be the norm.

Even if they're not up to scratch. That's why McDonnell said we need to upskill Brits before sending foreigners on their way, otherwise we'll be f***ed. (I'm paraphrasing)

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Mapletree Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.43pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A preference for employing from the nation the business is from, should in most cases (excepting understandable situations like foreign food restaurants) be the norm. Wow, why? Surely it should be the best person for the job. I thought you were 'of the right'. Does it count if the people you are looking to hire are already in the UK but not originally born in the UK? Or should they be sent home when not in use/when a local comes available?
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Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A preference for employing from the nation the business is from, should in most cases (excepting understandable situations like foreign food restaurants) be the norm.

Wow, why? Surely it should be the best person for the job. I thought you were 'of the right'.

Does it count if the people you are looking to hire are already in the UK but not originally born in the UK? Or should they be sent home when not in use/when a local comes available?

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 17 7.48pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Even if they're not up to scratch. That's why McDonnell said we need to upskill Brits before sending foreigners on their way, otherwise we'll be f***ed. (I'm paraphrasing) Well if we had 'upskilled' Brits for the last 40 years we wouldn't need all this imported Labour. Some of us have been saying that for years.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Even if they're not up to scratch. That's why McDonnell said we need to upskill Brits before sending foreigners on their way, otherwise we'll be f***ed. (I'm paraphrasing)

Well if we had 'upskilled' Brits for the last 40 years we wouldn't need all this imported Labour.
Some of us have been saying that for years.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 17 7.52pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Don't worry, I'm unpatriotic because I don't share the same unsavoury views. Such as?
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08 Oct 17 7.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Don't worry, I'm unpatriotic because I don't share the same unsavoury views.

Such as?

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Stirlingsays 08 Oct 17 7.52pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Wow, why? Surely it should be the best person for the job. I thought you were 'of the right'. Does it count if the people you are looking to hire are already in the UK but not originally born in the UK? Or should they be sent home when not in use/when a local comes available? It should be the best person. All being equal between two people, the person from the host nation should get preference. This should be the same in every nation. There is nothing wrong with foreigners working and living here. However, you should be in a position where the majority of the people applying are British. I understand that this isn't necessarily down to you but rather an environment that's the product of political and economic decisions. I don't support those decisions that led to this outcome. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2017 7.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Oct 17 7.52pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Wow, why? Surely it should be the best person for the job. I thought you were 'of the right'.

Does it count if the people you are looking to hire are already in the UK but not originally born in the UK? Or should they be sent home when not in use/when a local comes available?

It should be the best person. All being equal between two people, the person from the host nation should get preference. This should be the same in every nation.

There is nothing wrong with foreigners working and living here. However, you should be in a position where the majority of the people applying are British. I understand that this isn't necessarily down to you but rather an environment that's the product of political and economic decisions.

I don't support those decisions that led to this outcome.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2017 7.53pm)

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elgrande bedford 08 Oct 17 7.52pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Even if they're not up to scratch. That's why McDonnell said we need to upskill Brits before sending foreigners on their way, otherwise we'll be f***ed. (I'm paraphrasing) And ALL parties are guilty of trying to send every tom dick,and Mohamed to university,when clearly 1)a lot of people are not suited to university,and 2),some of the courses now aren't worth the paper they written on.And 3)There should be a return to technical collages so we can train kids in the building trades and the like. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 08 Oct 17 7.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Even if they're not up to scratch. That's why McDonnell said we need to upskill Brits before sending foreigners on their way, otherwise we'll be f***ed. (I'm paraphrasing)

And ALL parties are guilty of trying to send every tom dick,and Mohamed to university,when clearly 1)a lot of people are not suited to university,and 2),some of the courses now aren't worth the paper they written on.And 3)There should be a return to technical collages so we can train kids in the building trades and the like.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Mapletree Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well if we had 'upskilled' Brits for the last 40 years we wouldn't need all this imported Labour. Some of us have been saying that for years. That is true in part. I assume that you will, therefore, be campaigning to reduce the cost of tertiary education and the debt burden on our young people.
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Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well if we had 'upskilled' Brits for the last 40 years we wouldn't need all this imported Labour.
Some of us have been saying that for years.

That is true in part. I assume that you will, therefore, be campaigning to reduce the cost of tertiary education and the debt burden on our young people.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.57pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I don't racially profile, stereotype or engage in racism. And yes, you can be racist against white British. There are employment cases. It is a shame that in my case a lot of Brits aren't quite well qualified or experienced. I have no preference from where I hire, obviously. I am an HR Director. It would be against all of my training, experience and logic. I hire the person most suitably qualified, experienced and motivated. I am outraged that people would assume anything else and have lept in with both feet due to their own prejudices. For the Dublin to Holyhead ferry? Thought you might be a statistician with your immense grasp of immigration figures. Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Oct 2017 7.59pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.57pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I don't racially profile, stereotype or engage in racism. And yes, you can be racist against white British. There are employment cases.

It is a shame that in my case a lot of Brits aren't quite well qualified or experienced.

I have no preference from where I hire, obviously. I am an HR Director. It would be against all of my training, experience and logic. I hire the person most suitably qualified, experienced and motivated.

I am outraged that people would assume anything else and have lept in with both feet due to their own prejudices.

For the Dublin to Holyhead ferry? Thought you might be a statistician with your immense grasp of immigration figures.

Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Oct 2017 7.59pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 17 7.57pm
Originally posted by Mapletree That is true in part. I assume that you will, therefore, be campaigning to reduce the cost of tertiary education and the debt burden on our young people. Burden? The amount you pay back for university fees is piddly.
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Hrolf The Ganger

08 Oct 17 7.57pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

That is true in part. I assume that you will, therefore, be campaigning to reduce the cost of tertiary education and the debt burden on our young people.

Burden?
The amount you pay back for university fees is piddly.

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Mapletree Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.59pm
Originally posted by elgrande And ALL parties are guilty of trying to send every tom dick,and Mohamed to university,when clearly 1)a lot of people are not suited to university,and 2),some of the courses now aren't worth the paper they written on.And 3)There should be a return to technical collages so we can train kids in the building trades and the like. Or.. We just improve access to courses that are more practical and reduce the costs so that people who will end up earning relatively low amounts don't get stuffed with massive debt. And we also emphasise the post education element by having proper, well paid, apprenticeships like in Germany. Reintroducing technical colleges is not a panacea, it is rose tinted spectacles. It doesn't matter if we call the courses University as long as they address the needs. And by the way I don't see many courses that are 'not worth the paper they are written on', there is no such thing. Especially as people pay so much for them.
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Mapletree

Croydon 08 Oct 17 7.59pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Or..

We just improve access to courses that are more practical and reduce the costs so that people who will end up earning relatively low amounts don't get stuffed with massive debt. And we also emphasise the post education element by having proper, well paid, apprenticeships like in Germany.

Reintroducing technical colleges is not a panacea, it is rose tinted spectacles. It doesn't matter if we call the courses University as long as they address the needs.

And by the way I don't see many courses that are 'not worth the paper they are written on', there is no such thing. Especially as people pay so much for them.

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