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wordup Flag 30 Nov 17 10.24pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I still think we'll be fine, but you cannot start criticising world leaders. Especially a hot head like Trump who is clearly a special case and while in the middle of negotiations with the EU. May has made a big blunder here in a desperate attempt to curry favour with the British public who dislike her either way. She's the classic career politician who cares about herself and not the interests of the country. Idiot!

Edited by Penge Eagle (30 Nov 2017 10.22pm)

You're right on this. It feels like an unstable environment and it pays to be rather diplomatic in these uncertain times. Theresa May and in fact most in government and opposition right now are playing for headlines. A very short term view and not something that will help us with future trade deals and the like.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 30 Nov 17 10.24pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Theresa May is virtue signalling over this and should be keeping Trump on side. We need to have a sensible trade agreement post Brexit. The matter could have been dealt with privately through the diplomats. I will never vote for that woman, she was awful as home secretary and again proves it as PM.

Rex Tillerson has gutted the US State Department (our Foreign Office) such that veteran, experienced diplomats to handle things like this are thin on the ground. [Link]

Regardless, it's impossible to handle anything privately when Trump is tweeting about it during his morning constitutional.

Edited by Ray in Houston (30 Nov 2017 10.25pm)

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Nov 17 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I still think we'll be fine, but she should not really criticise our allies! Especially a hot head like Trump who is clearly a special case and while in the middle of negotiations with the EU. May has made a big blunder here in a desperate attempt to curry favour with the British public who dislike her either way and pander to the liberal media. She's the classic career politician who cares about herself and not the interests of the country. Idiot!

Edited by Penge Eagle (30 Nov 2017 10.24pm)

The Tories have a precarious position and they will want to keep what there is of their minority voters on side. Get used to it. Pandering to minorities will be the politics of the future.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 30 Nov 17 10.35pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The Tories have a precarious position and they will want to keep what there is of their minority voters on side. Get used to it. Pandering to minorities will be the politics of the future.


Minorities are on their way to becoming the majority. The UK isn't like Texas - which is a majority-minority State because less than 50% of the population is white - but the percentage of the UK population identified as white dropped from 92% in 2001 to 87% in 2011 and, presumably, it will shrink further still in the next census.

13% is not a significant component of the overall population, but it's enough to swing an election...

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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wordup Flag 30 Nov 17 10.48pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Minorities are on their way to becoming the majority. The UK isn't like Texas - which is a majority-minority State because less than 50% of the population is white - but the percentage of the UK population identified as white dropped from 92% in 2001 to 87% in 2011 and, presumably, it will shrink further still in the next census.

13% is not a significant component of the overall population, but it's enough to swing an election...

That's what a lot of this is all about really. Anger that groups you could once denigrate or brush off with ease now have a voice too. It's new and to some it's unsettling. We aren't Russia though and I'm glad we're not. In the context of the point you're making that means you're not simply right because you're white. You are judged by -shock horror- your views and behaviour.

If people are unhappy with the current system I would be perfectly happy with proportional representation. That would mean that every vote counts and would allow people to push their particular view of the world. For better or for worse it would at least be an accurate representation of the nation as a whole and as I said before, people get the government they deserve so go for it.


Edited by wordup (30 Nov 2017 10.51pm)

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 30 Nov 17 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

If people are unhappy with the current system I would be perfectly happy with proportional representation. That would mean that every votes count and would allow people to push their particularly view of the world. For better or for worse it would at least be an accurate representation of the nation as a whole and as I said before, people get the government they deserve so go for it.

Exactly. Now that the thumb on the scale doesn't carry the weight it used to, those who benefitted previously are now bleating about pandering. This, of course, conveniently ignores the fact that the white majority has been pandered to forever and it's the shoe being on the other foot that's making them unhappy.

It used to be true that all politics is local. That's becoming less so as people now tend to vote for the representative of their preferred team, rather than the individual who is promising to fix pot holes and clean up the lido. With that paradigm shift, proportional representation makes more sense now than ever before.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 11.09pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Exactly. Now that the thumb on the scale doesn't carry the weight it used to, those who benefitted previously are now bleating about pandering. This, of course, conveniently ignores the fact that the white majority has been pandered to forever and it's the shoe being on the other foot that's making them unhappy.

It used to be true that all politics is local. That's becoming less so as people now tend to vote for the representative of their preferred team, rather than the individual who is promising to fix pot holes and clean up the lido. With that paradigm shift, proportional representation makes more sense now than ever before.


There is a sense that some people are pulling up the drawbridge.


Edited by nickgusset (30 Nov 2017 11.09pm)

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 30 Nov 17 11.16pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Exactly. Now that the thumb on the scale doesn't carry the weight it used to, those who benefitted previously are now bleating about pandering. This, of course, conveniently ignores the fact that the white majority has been pandered to forever and it's the shoe being on the other foot that's making them unhappy.

I'm not sure what race has to do with it here. You're maybe confusing Texas with Britain which are two different situations.

 

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wordup Flag 30 Nov 17 11.21pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

It used to be true that all politics is local. That's becoming less so as people now tend to vote for the representative of their preferred team, rather than the individual who is promising to fix pot holes and clean up the lido. With that paradigm shift, proportional representation makes more sense now than ever before.

Yes, politics should be as local as possible to best benefit members of those communities. Under the current system in most areas you may as well not even have a vote so many people become disenfranchised. In a two party system, by far the biggest diversity problem, namely poor people getting screwed over, is very easy to maintain. PR is more dynamic in comparison and a somewhat harder system to game with any level of certainty.


 

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Jamesey Flag Wandsworth 30 Nov 17 11.36pm Send a Private Message to Jamesey Add Jamesey as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I still think we'll be fine, but she should not really criticise our allies! Especially a hot head like Trump who is clearly a special case and while in the middle of negotiations with the EU. May has made a big blunder here in a desperate attempt to curry favour with the British public who dislike her either way and pander to the liberal media. She's the classic career politician who cares about herself and not the interests of the country. Idiot!

Edited by Penge Eagle (30 Nov 2017 10.24pm)

Correct assessment Penge...everything she does is disastrously wrong. Has she got hold of another bunch of useless advisers like the last ones who managed to turn victory into catastrophe - with her assistance of course?

The problem for Conservative voters, more than half the UK electorate and reasonable people in the UK who think that way, and are not selfish, fascist, anti-social justice monsters is: Not voting Conservative could obviously open the way for the Marxist cabal and the road to ruin. That would be far worse than having a total disaster of a Prime Minister like May.

Edited by Jamesey (30 Nov 2017 11.40pm)

 


Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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Stirlingsays Flag 30 Nov 17 11.43pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesey

Correct assessment Penge...everything she does is disastrously wrong. Has she got hold of another bunch of useless advisers like the last ones who managed to turn victory into catastrophe - with her assistance of course?

The problem for Conservative voters, more than half the UK electorate and reasonable people in the UK who think that way, are not selfish, fascist, anti-social justice monsters is: Not voting Conservative could obviously open the way for the Marxist cabal and the road to ruin. That would be far worse than having a total disaster of a Prime Minister like May.

Sod it though....this shower need a dosh of Corbyn to shut them up......even my 24 year old nephew working as an estate agent came out as a corbyn fan the other day...that's what happens when you stay in Sheffield flat sharing with your old uni mates.

I told the lad straight....Your job will go quicker than a fart in a bean factory.

I'm turning to the opinion that we need five years of this moron just to show a generation of people who haven't experienced these failed ideas just where they get us.

I know they would blame everything else but themselves but at least.....we wouldn't get pathetic joke Tories presenting themselves as progressives like this lot.....a dosh of Corbyn will lead to another Thatcher like response...just as what happened the last time the far left ruled.

I'd rather vote Corbyn than May at this point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 11.48pm)

 


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Jamesey Flag Wandsworth 01 Dec 17 12.00am Send a Private Message to Jamesey Add Jamesey as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sod it though....this shower need a dosh of Corbyn to shut them up......even my 24 year old nephew working as an estate agent came out as a corbyn fan the other day...that's what happens when you stay in Sheffield flat sharing with your old uni mates.

I told the lad straight....Your job will go quicker than a fart in a bean factory.

I'm turning to the opinion that we need five years of this moron just to show a generation of people who haven't experienced these failed ideas just where they get us.

I know they would blame everything else but themselves but at least.....we wouldn't get pathetic joke Tories presenting themselves as progressives like this lot.....a dosh of Corbyn will lead to another Thatcher like response...just as what happened the last time the far left ruled.

I'd rather vote Corbyn than May at this point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 11.48pm)


Strange option...choose economic ruin and all the usual extreme left-wing consequences just to spite Aunt Theresa's lot.

 


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