Really? I am sure there are some Christian countries that advocate jail time and execution for gay people too. Check out some places in Africa and the more extreme Bible Belt areas in the US. Maybe also look at some staunchly Catholic communities in places like The Phillipines and South America and their attitudes.

Are you?

Whataboutery all the same.

You refuse to condemn Muslim attitudes and then cry foul when you are accused of being an apologist.
Everyone accepts that Islam is not the only religion with these kinds of issues but that is not a defence that you can wheel out every time there is criticism.
It is also a question of degree, frequency and relevance to Britain.

Catholicism is a mainstream Christian religious faith and for many African countries their form of Christian worship is considered mainstream too. You won't hear many condemnations from the more staunch communities. Even in Ireland.

First point, do I live in a Christian country? I know you have just told me I do but that doesn't really tally with what I see.

It's definitely a majority culturally Christian country...hell up until a few years back I described myself the same way but I don't think anything like the majority go to Church and if you read the Bible it's pretty much required.

A lot of people have their own versions going on or and/or are various degrees of atheist or agnostic.

Second point:

Islam calls for punishments for homosexuals in the Qu'ran but doesn't specify but in some hadiths it calls for death. So essentially this has led to negative attitudes towards homosexuals within most mainstream Islamic communities.

No punishments for homosexuality are called for within mainstream Christianity. It's views on homosexuality are to view it as a sin and to pray for healing and repentance. That's it's version of how to take the 'inspiration' of the old testament.

Now Judaism calls for the death penalty:

Leviticus 20:13: “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

Leviticus 18:22: “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”

Leviticus 18:29 “Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people.”

Petty bad stuff but there is an important difference between the two religions which explains why even strict Jews aren't killing homosexuals. Mainstream Jews and Christians regard their books as 'inspired by God' whereas mainstream Muslims regard the Qu'ran as the literal word of God.

Hence the problem with reform....But Judaism and Christianity could reform more easily as their works could be framed contextually as just applying to their times far more easily than Islam's words could. If Allah's words are literal then they are going to be followed literally as best as they can.

Quran (4:16) - "If two among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone"

Quran (7:81) - "Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?"

Quran (26:165-166) - "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"

It's in the hadiths though where it goes up a notch.

Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 72 Hadith 774
The Prophet (peace be upon him) cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, “Turn them out of your houses.” The Prophet (peace be upon him) turned out such-and-such man, and ‘Umar turned out such-and-such woman.

Sunan of Abu-Dawood – Book 38 Hadith 4447
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

Sunan of Abu-Dawood – Book 38 Hadith 4448
If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.

There is more but just how long should this post be.

So in summary mainstream Christianity has taken their old testament problematical words and reduced them down to sins that require repentance.

Whereas the only real debate within mainstream Islam on this question is to what extent should homosexuality be punished....not that it shouldn't be....That's liberal secular Islam that unfortunately isn't mainstream anywhere.

So in Islamic run countries the experiences for homosexuals are often far far worse than in the west.

And people who are talk about these absurd moral equivalencies...either from ignorance or from cultural relativism are literally a part of the problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 3.17pm)

Have you got a link for that post? There's no way you'd use pbuh when referring to the prophet.

Pbuh?

You have the references to all the sayings. Look them up.

I'm curious why do you call Muhammad 'the prophet'? Do you refer to Jesus as the 'saviour' or the 'Christ'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2017 5.23pm)