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hedgehog50  Croydon 01 Mar 17 8.16pm |
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I see a bunch of hereditary peers, unelected life peers and various priests have voted against the Government's Brexit Bill. How about a referendum to scrap the Lords or have it elected.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Mar 17 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I see a bunch of hereditary peers, unelected life peers and various priests have voted against the Government's Brexit Bill. How about a referendum to scrap the Lords or have it elected. Whilst I have no issue with a bi-cameral parliamentary system per se, I find it repugnant that one element of it functions without any accountability to the electorate whatsoever. Away with these somnolent dinosaurs.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 17 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I see a bunch of hereditary peers, unelected life peers and various priests have voted against the Government's Brexit Bill. How about a referendum to scrap the Lords or have it elected. You don't think we should consider ex pats living in the EU then?
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  Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 9.02pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I see a bunch of hereditary peers, unelected life peers and various priests have voted against the Government's Brexit Bill. How about a referendum to scrap the Lords or have it elected. They just brought it a bit closer hopefully.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Mar 17 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You don't think we should consider ex pats living in the EU then? That's exactly what the Government is doing, the Lords have now put them at risk.
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| davenotamonkey 01 Mar 17 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You don't think we should consider ex pats living in the EU then? You are so ill-informed, it hurts. The amendment has FA to do with "ex pats living in the EU". The chance of urgent Lords reform rises with each ping-pong of this amendment. Good. Our exit from the EU, a decision democratically expressed by the electorate, has been obstructed, interfered with and hamstrung at every possible opportunity. I very much hope we are witnessing the death of that anti-subsidiarity anti-democratic experiment's hold over our country, along with the political dreams of it's most adherent, anti-democratic acolytes.
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| davenotamonkey 01 Mar 17 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
You are so ill-informed, it hurts. The amendment has FA to do with "ex pats living in the EU". The chance of urgent Lords reform rises with each ping-pong of this amendment. Good. Our exit from the EU, a decision democratically expressed by the electorate, has been obstructed, interfered with and hamstrung at every possible opportunity. I very much hope we are witnessing the death of that anti-subsidiarity anti-democratic experiment's hold over our country, along with the political dreams of it's most adherent, anti-democratic acolytes. In a more pragmatic posting: this will go back to the commons, they will vote again to reject the amendment (as they did before), and the Lords will back down. Perhaps they'll be more interested in representing the interests of UK citizens then, rather than "EU citizens".
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 17 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
You are so ill-informed, it hurts. The amendment has FA to do with "ex pats living in the EU". The chance of urgent Lords reform rises with each ping-pong of this amendment. Good. Our exit from the EU, a decision democratically expressed by the electorate, has been obstructed, interfered with and hamstrung at every possible opportunity. I very much hope we are witnessing the death of that anti-subsidiarity anti-democratic experiment's hold over our country, along with the political dreams of it's most adherent, anti-democratic acolytes. Yep I stand corrected, must have misheard on the wireless earlier. They want to guarantee rights for EU people in the UK. Important as it would help in reciprocating the rights of ex pats in the EU. As an aside, what's going to happen with Gibraltar (the population voted to stay in)?
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| davenotamonkey 01 Mar 17 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yep I stand corrected, must have misheard on the wireless earlier. They want to guarantee rights for EU people in the UK. Important as it would help in reciprocating the rights of ex pats in the EU. As an aside, what's going to happen with Gibraltar (the population voted to stay in)? Why? I thought we had a "weak bargaining position", and they wanted to "punish us"? Why the sudden good will? The PM offered to take this whole issue off the table in November. Why did Tusk, Juncker and Merkel slap it down then? So they could "reciprocate" in the coming two years? UK: Well, we're kind-of bound legally to offer full rights to "EU citizens". Will you do the same for UK citizens? Meanwhile. No "population" voted to stay in. No "population" voted to leave. You will have seen the content of the Article 50 bill. It has fewer characters than a text message. It's designed to start the process of leaving, not debate the nature and particulars of leaving. Those are for the 2 years following the triggering of Article 50.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Mar 17 8.28am |
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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has written to leaders of European socialist parties to coordinate lobbying for rights of Brits abroad and EU residents in the UK. He knows an opportunity when he sees it. He has written to leaders of seven European socialist parties, allied to Labour and in government, to lobby, at every level of the EU, for the rights of British citizens abroad and to reaffirm Labour’s commitment to the rights of EU residents in the UK. The letters follow discussions Mr Corbyn initiated at a Party of European Socialists conference that Labour hosted in London last week. In the letters, he appeals to the “common voice” of socialist parties across Europe to help guarantee the rights of “around 3 million EU Citizens, living, working and contributing greatly in our societies” and “an estimated 1.5 million British people living in different parts of the European mainland.” Mr Corbyn wrote: “As socialist parties, we all agree that we must work together to make sure the basic values we share are fully represented in a final agreement between Britain and the EU. “Therefore I see no better way to start [than] by making this issue a key priority for us in the coming months. We cannot allow our citizens, our neighbours and our friends be subject to further uncertainty or be used as a bargaining chip.” “We as socialists must stand up for the rights of everybody and I am confident this can be done through the Brexit process and beyond, if we stay true to our beliefs and work together.” What's May doing to help?
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Kermit8  Hevon 02 Mar 17 8.28am |
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I think the idea is if we show some goodwill and take the high ground by allowing settled families, some with kids who have known only the UK for friends and school, and others who have made the UK their home to stay then future negotiations may not be so bitter. Doesn't appeal to the Hard Brexiteers of course but then nothing short of us being super-rich and foreigner-free and the rest of Europe being driven into destitution will.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Mar 17 8.38am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I think the idea is if we show some goodwill and take the high ground by allowing settled families, some with kids who have known only the UK for friends and school, and others who have made the UK their home to stay then future negotiations may not be so bitter. Doesn't appeal to the Hard Brexiteers of course but then nothing short of us being super-rich and foreigner-free and the rest of Europe being driven into destitution will. The EU should take the moral high ground and allow settled pensioners, some with sawed-off shotguns, who have only known Spanish bars for friends, to stay there. I hope they also do as much as they possibly can to keep Nick Griffin in Hungary. Meanwhile, we should get on with planning the invasion of Poland.
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