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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Feb 17 5.25pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Very good analysis. I agree with practically all of it - but aren't you in danger of having the whip withdrawn from the comrades for saying it?

We've already fallen out over whether Marx preferred poached or scrambled eggs.

Edited by nickgusset (16 Feb 2017 5.27pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Feb 17 5.40pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Raising minimum wage, would arguably help, given that one of the primary factors in low skill manual labour is that the wages have stagnated due to demand being supplied from poorer nations (where the exchange rate makes working for 16-20k a year with no dependents viable in a way that it isn't for UK residents with families or dependents).

But the upshot of raising the minimum wage is that it would likely attract higher qualified migrant workers from those same countries, into the same jobs - Which is even worse for those countries (who are already losing degree graduates to the UK to do fairly average jobs).

The only beneficiaries from the Freedom of Movement have been corporations. They've garnered a great profit from the fact wages have been suppressed by cheap sources of labour, whilst successive governments (including Labour) have actually cut corporation taxes and allowed many such companies to shelter from tax contributions.

So basically, Corporate interests benefitted from cheap labour, tax cuts and tax exemptions, at the expense of British citizens. Meanwhile, countries supplying that labour, have been effectively robbed of skilled labour and the 'cream of the generation'.

Unsurprisingly, many of those countries have also seen increasing unrest and problems created, in effect, by the exploitation of Freedom of Movement that's removed 'their best and brightest'.

A fair assessment.
However, ultimately, we will all still pay for an increased minimum wage through a mark up on the cost of goods and services.
I have to honestly say that my primary concern is how a continuing flow of foreign labour will effect my children's future.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Feb 2017 5.41pm)

 

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.TUX. Flag 16 Feb 17 6.58pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Raising minimum wage, would arguably help, given that one of the primary factors in low skill manual labour is that the wages have stagnated due to demand being supplied from poorer nations (where the exchange rate makes working for 16-20k a year with no dependents viable in a way that it isn't for UK residents with families or dependents).

But the upshot of raising the minimum wage is that it would likely attract higher qualified migrant workers from those same countries, into the same jobs - Which is even worse for those countries (who are already losing degree graduates to the UK to do fairly average jobs).

The only beneficiaries from the Freedom of Movement have been corporations. They've garnered a great profit from the fact wages have been suppressed by cheap sources of labour, whilst successive governments (including Labour) have actually cut corporation taxes and allowed many such companies to shelter from tax contributions.

So basically, Corporate interests benefitted from cheap labour, tax cuts and tax exemptions, at the expense of British citizens. Meanwhile, countries supplying that labour, have been effectively robbed of skilled labour and the 'cream of the generation'.

Unsurprisingly, many of those countries have also seen increasing unrest and problems created, in effect, by the exploitation of Freedom of Movement that's removed 'their best and brightest'.

And sadly it'll only ever get worse.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 17 Feb 17 8.39am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Tony Blair calls for people to 'rise up' against Brexit:

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I am sure this intervention by such a venerated statesman, will stop Article 50 being triggered.

I am also looking forward to lefties defending his comments and saying he 'has a point', given that 'Blairite' is a worse insult that 'nonce' in their circle.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Feb 17 9.40am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

This is a good day for the 16 million people who have little or no representation in Parliament.

If he can soften the hard brexit it can be good for the country.


 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 17 Feb 17 9.49am

I understand that EU Commissioners have warned that we will have to change the name of Brussels Sprouts to something else if we quit the 'union'.

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 17 Feb 17 10.28am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

This is a good day for the 16 million people who have little or no representation in Parliament.

If he can soften the hard brexit it can be good for the country.

But who on earth will listen to Blair? Busted flush, who can see his chance of EU president disappearing, and is trying to hang on.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Feb 17 10.36am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I understand that EU Commissioners have warned that we will have to change the name of Brussels Sprouts to something else if we quit the 'union'.

Guffballs?

 

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gambler Flag Kent 17 Feb 17 10.40am Send a Private Message to gambler Add gambler as a friend

Bliar.

The front of the man. Just f*** off fella.

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 17 Feb 17 10.49am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

This is a good day for the 16 million people who have little or no representation in Parliament.

If he can soften the hard brexit it can be good for the country.


He has as much chance as I do in changing anything to do with Brexit. He is just trying to make a come back into politics......Fat chance as he is an out and out idiot..

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Feb 17 11.03am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A fair assessment.
However, ultimately, we will all still pay for an increased minimum wage through a mark up on the cost of goods and services.
I have to honestly say that my primary concern is how a continuing flow of foreign labour will effect my children's future.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Feb 2017 5.41pm)

I don't see any way around that. Either we force corporations to pay a decent wage, and carry the cost as a nation, or we have problems with people being stuck in a position where taking a job has low economic incentive.

I'm happy paying more, if it means my fellow citizens have a better life. Plus it would get people into employment and off benefits, and allow a proper control of benefits, if we have a situation where working makes economic sense.

Problem really is that benefits create a subsistence level existence, and are tied to real costs. Where as wages are tied to free market labour demands.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Feb 17 11.06am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Tony Blair calls for people to 'rise up' against Brexit:

[Link]

I am sure this intervention by such a venerated statesman, will stop Article 50 being triggered.

I am also looking forward to lefties defending his comments and saying he 'has a point', given that 'Blairite' is a worse insult that 'nonce' in their circle.

Quite agree, Tony Blair can f**k right off. He's an affront to democracy, and its an insult to us, as a nation, that he isn't serving time for starting an unnecessary war (that by the way has completely f**ked us, as a nation). 400 odd British servicemen dead, countless wounded and maimed, and hundreds of thousand dead Iraqs, based on his word and trust of selective information, and corporate pressure.

He should be f**ked to death by dogs.

 


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