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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Aug 24 8.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You sound like a thoroughly decent chap. I don't think anyone realistic thinks we can turn the clock back to the eighties or before, however that doesn't mean that what has been visited upon this small island is ok. Cultural and heritage vandalism, increasing balkanization. Every country's people would react...if anything the English have been remarkably docile in comparison. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2024 5.32pm) I agree. As I have stated previously, growing up in a multicultural arena I have seen it work well, where people have common aims in life and respect the nation they are in. There also has to be respect if not admiration for the host nation and it's people, gratitude should certainly be in order and often was. You want to assimilate but naturally may want to keep some things of old as an identity too, so long as they do not infringe or directly clash with where you now reside. That's where you can 'enjoy' multiculturalism, see it add to things and enjoy something different/new, not replace or challenge them. What we see now is a pile on with very little regard if not aggressive rejection of assimilation. This doesn't seem a natural inclination either, it appears encouraged and deliberately manufactured. I moved from the city almost exactly 5 years ago, almost exactly, and I've not regretted it once. Was back in Camberwell today and I was actually pleasantly surprised however, but that might have been the weather It's not just race/heritage of course, it seems everything is up for grabs at the moment to fuel people's egos, separate them from others and identify enemies and threats. It's completely nuts and look at some of the results. If there is a 'far-right', it's because of a far-left. They're the same people and they should be ridiculed IMHO. I'm more of the opinion that there certainly is a 'far-left', and therefore anything opposing it will and is being labelled a 'far-right' at the moment. It's one way to crush dissent. This is my final word on this, as I'm gonna jump off this thread for my own sanity. I had a very kind 'intervention' from somebody earlier, which I greatly appreciated. the subject matter is very close to home - My suspicion is the person responsible for this absolute atrocity was somebody very vulnerable to influence and probably quite likely, in any instance, to do something insane. That'll be well covered. What won't be however, is the fact that the ideas in his head were not magically conjured from his own mind, they were put there. If so, who would have to bear responsibility for that? They'll never admit to it of course, but that'll be the main driver and the one that would need examining. There's promotion of hate and encouragement toward anger in this country and it seems to be guided toward a specific direction. The punchline of that joke is that everybody in the majority suffers, even those deluded into thinking they're on the winning side. I could be wrong though, just a guess.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Aug 24 8.09pm | |
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Kicking off in Sunderland. There are rumours that the 17 year old converted to Islam. It’s going to be a long weekend.
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eaglesdare 02 Aug 24 8.23pm | |
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 24 8.43pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Aldi got an advert in. Cheap b******s.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 24 8.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What’s the English Football League got to do with any of this? Predictive text can be a nuisance can’t it? I’m sure you knew was intended.
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YT Oxford 02 Aug 24 9.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Predictive text can be a nuisance can’t it? I’m sure you knew was intended. Except surely your device must recognise 'EDL' by now, given how many times you've obsessively typed it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 24 9.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Blaming immigration is what these right wing nut jobs do. I hope you don’t. Criminals and the mentally ill exist, in every community and have always done so. Politicians can only do what’s possible. Changing characters isn’t possible. Watching everybody all the time isn’t possible." If something can't be done, then we have to accept the sh!t fest that the democratic processes have delivered or rather those that we stupidly thought could deliver for us. Not good. If watching everybody all the time is not possible, why accept an ever increasing number of undocumented individuals turning up to merge into our civil society to potentially cause us harm. No deterrent to arriving through illegal means equals that the journeys will not stop. It’s not democracy that is to blame. It’s the fact than the human race is imperfect. No matter what system was in place there would be issues. Sure, we could go 100% authoritarian and terrorise the people into submission. Impose a God like dynasty as supreme leaders and close all our borders to all outside influences. Become the North Korea of Europe! No one would vote for it so it would have to imposed by force after a bloody revolution and huge loss of life. We would then live in poverty, anyone challenging the system would be shot, as would many others whose faces didn’t fit. Child murderers wouldn’t survive but because of the state control of the media we wouldn’t know about them anyway. Now I know that’s a ridiculous idea and never going to happen. The only reason I describe it is to show that if we think of not trusting democracy to deliver the least worse outcomes we could quickly discover how much worse others would be. The example is extreme but any steps along its path would produce movement towards the outcomes. So be careful what you wish for! If an easy answer to the problem of undocumented migrants was available it would have been found by now. It’s a political panacea that would guarantee any party success at the polls. We are bound by international treaties to accept those who qualify for asylum. We could renounce the treaties but I guess that the judgement is that the subsequent cost economically and reputationally outweigh any benefit. So the only realistic approach is the slow and painstaking work with all the stakeholders to try to find and bring the traffickers to justice. That and helping where the migrants are coming from to develop so they don’t want to leave in the first place. No one wants to leave their home, travel on a very dangerous and expensive journey to an uncertain future.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 24 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by YT
Except surely your device must recognise 'EDL' by now, given how many times you've obsessively typed it. Have I? I thought I used the full title in previous posts, but cannot be bothered to check. It obviously doesn’t though. Maybe now you have!
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PalazioVecchio south pole 02 Aug 24 9.58pm | |
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i fear...... Yugoslavia 1989 Ulster 1967 Spain 1935 England 1639 ................enjoy the silence. Myself and the likes of Sterling have been predicting this for decades. When 'the State' loses all love and credibility from its populace, what is there left to look up to ? Vlad Putin has been planning this all along. He identified the main weakness of the West is its do-gooder cultural relativism and guilt. forget about Ukraine & Palestine. It is scary within a few hundred yards. Don't believe me ? then you don't live in Southport or any of the other hundred places featured in the News. Edited by PalazioVecchio (02 Aug 2024 10.06pm)
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Teddy Eagle 02 Aug 24 10.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s not democracy that is to blame. It’s the fact than the human race is imperfect. No matter what system was in place there would be issues. Sure, we could go 100% authoritarian and terrorise the people into submission. Impose a God like dynasty as supreme leaders and close all our borders to all outside influences. Become the North Korea of Europe! No one would vote for it so it would have to imposed by force after a bloody revolution and huge loss of life. We would then live in poverty, anyone challenging the system would be shot, as would many others whose faces didn’t fit. Child murderers wouldn’t survive but because of the state control of the media we wouldn’t know about them anyway. Now I know that’s a ridiculous idea and never going to happen. The only reason I describe it is to show that if we think of not trusting democracy to deliver the least worse outcomes we could quickly discover how much worse others would be. The example is extreme but any steps along its path would produce movement towards the outcomes. So be careful what you wish for! If an easy answer to the problem of undocumented migrants was available it would have been found by now. It’s a political panacea that would guarantee any party success at the polls. We are bound by international treaties to accept those who qualify for asylum. We could renounce the treaties but I guess that the judgement is that the subsequent cost economically and reputationally outweigh any benefit. So the only realistic approach is the slow and painstaking work with all the stakeholders to try to find and bring the traffickers to justice. That and helping where the migrants are coming from to develop so they don’t want to leave in the first place. No one wants to leave their home, travel on a very dangerous and expensive journey to an uncertain future. As of 2020 nearly 87,000,000 thought it was worth the risk.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 02 Aug 24 10.19pm | |
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and our Elites blame it all on 'Climate change'....which is a load of old cobblers.
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Stirlingsays 02 Aug 24 10.29pm | |
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