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Stirlingsays 01 Nov 23 5.43pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I was in Jordan earlier this year, they already have circa 3m Syrian refugees in camps, I'm not sure they would be keen to take even more. Indeed, they are in a difficult position as their population is obviously anti semitic but the leadership class there is reasonably pro western ....which for them isn't the same as pro Israeli. Well, maybe 'pro western' isn't quite right, pro staying in power and avoiding wars is probably a better way to put it. Similar situation for Egypt.....it's a significant problem for them both internally and externally. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 5.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Nov 23 5.43pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I was in Jordan earlier this year, they already have circa 3m Syrian refugees in camps, I'm not sure they would be keen to take even more.

Indeed, they are in a difficult position as their population is obviously anti semitic but the leadership class there is reasonably pro western ....which for them isn't the same as pro Israeli.

Well, maybe 'pro western' isn't quite right, pro staying in power and avoiding wars is probably a better way to put it.

Similar situation for Egypt.....it's a significant problem for them both internally and externally.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Nov 23 5.49pm
Originally posted by cryrst Nope but how many American flags not being burned in that video or Israeli flags at the current marches. Says a lot when only one side is presumed to be wronged. Also this is about Islam and Muslims not Palestine specifically. If Palestine were Christian I doubt this would be the response ! I have no idea what you're getting at. Literally everybody has acknowledged that Israel were wronged - the entire international community, every political leader - it's the first thing asked of any pro-Palestinian commentator on any interview; 'do you condemn the actions of Hamas'. It is entirely about Palestine specifically - if this level of killing took place anywhere on the planet, people would justifiably be outraged.
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Originally posted by cryrst

Nope but how many American flags not being burned in that video or Israeli flags at the current marches. Says a lot when only one side is presumed to be wronged.
Also this is about Islam and Muslims not Palestine specifically. If Palestine were Christian I doubt this would be the response !

I have no idea what you're getting at.

Literally everybody has acknowledged that Israel were wronged - the entire international community, every political leader - it's the first thing asked of any pro-Palestinian commentator on any interview; 'do you condemn the actions of Hamas'.

It is entirely about Palestine specifically - if this level of killing took place anywhere on the planet, people would justifiably be outraged.

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cryrst The garden of England 01 Nov 23 6.05pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I have no idea what you're getting at. Literally everybody has acknowledged that Israel were wronged - the entire international community, every political leader - it's the first thing asked of any pro-Palestinian commentator on any interview; 'do you condemn the actions of Hamas'. It is entirely about Palestine specifically - if this level of killing took place anywhere on the planet, people would justifiably be outraged. And they are, so why arnt Hamas giving up their weapons to protect Gaza and their people. Let the hostages go and maybe Israel may see a way forwards with less bombing. It won’t happen though as the terrorists want the carnage and death. They don’t live anywhere near the bombing as their families don’t either. Why would they be bothered about gazans.
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The garden of England 01 Nov 23 6.05pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I have no idea what you're getting at.

It is entirely about Palestine specifically - if this level of killing took place anywhere on the planet, people would justifiably be outraged.

And they are, so why arnt Hamas giving up their weapons to protect Gaza and their people. Let the hostages go and maybe Israel may see a way forwards with less bombing. It won’t happen though as the terrorists want the carnage and death. They don’t live anywhere near the bombing as their families don’t either. Why would they be bothered about gazans.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Nov 23 6.11pm
Originally posted by cryrst And they are, so why arnt Hamas giving up their weapons to protect Gaza and their people. Let the hostages go and maybe Israel may see a way forwards with less bombing. It won’t happen though as the terrorists want the carnage and death. They don’t live anywhere near the bombing as their families don’t either. Why would they be bothered about gazans. Because they are terrorists - they don’t give a s*** about civilians in Gaza. Your solution is basically ‘the terrorists should stop being terrorists’. You’ve also just made a mockery of the entire premise of the massacre you’re justifying - if neither Hamas nor their families are anywhere near the areas being bombed, you’re arguing the Israeli’s are knowingly bombing civilians, and you’re still fine with that.
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SE19 01 Nov 23 6.11pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Because they are terrorists - they don’t give a s*** about civilians in Gaza. Your solution is basically ‘the terrorists should stop being terrorists’.

You’ve also just made a mockery of the entire premise of the massacre you’re justifying - if neither Hamas nor their families are anywhere near the areas being bombed, you’re arguing the Israeli’s are knowingly bombing civilians, and you’re still fine with that.

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cryrst The garden of England 01 Nov 23 6.37pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Because they are terrorists - they don’t give a s*** about civilians in Gaza. Your solution is basically ‘the terrorists should stop being terrorists’. You’ve also just made a mockery of the entire premise of the massacre you’re justifying - if neither Hamas nor their families are anywhere near the areas being bombed, you’re arguing the Israeli’s are knowingly bombing civilians, and you’re still fine with that. Well the occasional hamas terrorist gets it. Ok let’s agree to an Israeli ceasefire. Then in a week Hamas attacks again. Hypothetical but what should Israel do then ?
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The garden of England 01 Nov 23 6.37pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Because they are terrorists - they don’t give a s*** about civilians in Gaza. Your solution is basically ‘the terrorists should stop being terrorists’.

Well the occasional hamas terrorist gets it. Ok let’s agree to an Israeli ceasefire. Then in a week Hamas attacks again. Hypothetical but what should Israel do then ?

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Stirlingsays 01 Nov 23 6.54pm
Hamas are no friend of mine. They would shoot me along with any Jew. However, let's not take sides and just see the situation dispassionately. In truth, we have seen Palestinian land without Hamas.....it's called the West Bank.....Hamas have no power there as the dwindling areas are ruled by the PLO. What has been done to stop settlement in the west bank....frankly bugger all. There was no Hamas before 1987....I can't say that the Palestinians were being treated fairly before Hamas and they are treated little differently while they exist. It looks like Israel are going to try to clear them out....which means clearing out the population while big brother protects them. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 6.55pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Hamas are no friend of mine. They would shoot me along with any Jew. However, let's not take sides and just see the situation dispassionately.

In truth, we have seen Palestinian land without Hamas.....it's called the West Bank.....Hamas have no power there as the dwindling areas are ruled by the PLO. What has been done to stop settlement in the west bank....frankly bugger all.

There was no Hamas before 1987....I can't say that the Palestinians were being treated fairly before Hamas and they are treated little differently while they exist.

It looks like Israel are going to try to clear them out....which means clearing out the population while big brother protects them.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Nov 23 7.51pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Are people still comfortable defending Isreal's conduct in Gaza? A refugee centre was bombed yesterday reported to have killed over 100 civilians. Reports of 3000+ Palestinian children dead since October 7th. Israel have dropped more bombs in Gaza in the last few weeks than the US did in any single year of their Afghanistan campaign. Where did you get this 3k children killed figure from? Is it ALL children killed since Oct 7th in the area or is it children that have died all over the world since that date. BTW, it was HAMAS doing the killing, NOT the Palestinians ok. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Are people still comfortable defending Isreal's conduct in Gaza?

A refugee centre was bombed yesterday reported to have killed over 100 civilians.

Reports of 3000+ Palestinian children dead since October 7th.

Israel have dropped more bombs in Gaza in the last few weeks than the US did in any single year of their Afghanistan campaign.

Where did you get this 3k children killed figure from? Is it ALL children killed since Oct 7th in the area or is it children that have died all over the world since that date. BTW, it was HAMAS doing the killing, NOT the Palestinians ok.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 23 11.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If he flattens all of it they certainly can't sleep on rubble. To be honest I can't really quite believe what I'm witnessing. What we are seeing represents a seismic shift. The logical conclusion is war with Iran....will that happen? If so does it expand? Both sides will have wargamed this many times since Oct 7th. One prediction I would be pretty sure about is that the US will lose its bases in the middle east. We are witnessing history.....and it's not great that we are being ruled by such low quality. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 2.47am) I wouldn't put it past Biden and the Democrats wanting war with Iran. It would obviously be madness to invoke the fury of the Islamic world. But, like you, I can't get my head around this escalation. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If he flattens all of it they certainly can't sleep on rubble.

To be honest I can't really quite believe what I'm witnessing. What we are seeing represents a seismic shift. The logical conclusion is war with Iran....will that happen? If so does it expand?

Both sides will have wargamed this many times since Oct 7th.

One prediction I would be pretty sure about is that the US will lose its bases in the middle east.

We are witnessing history.....and it's not great that we are being ruled by such low quality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 2.47am)

I wouldn't put it past Biden and the Democrats wanting war with Iran. It would obviously be madness to invoke the fury of the Islamic world. But, like you, I can't get my head around this escalation.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Nov 23 3.41pm
The Pentagon says there are no limits on how Israel uses US-provided weapons in their attacks in Gaza. A spokesperson said it's up to the IDF how it uses the weapons. That would seem to most people to be an insane thing to permit. Israel-Hamas war live: Palestinian death toll climbs to 9,061, including 3,760 children, says Gaza health ministry, it can't be very far wrong. GBUs (guided bomb units) are precision-guided air-to-surface weapon systems, they are part of the Israeli arsenal provided by the USA, they appear to have been used at the Jelabia refugee camp against a defenceless civilian population. The USA is culpable in genocide, it finances Israel and arms it, without apparently any control or responsibility. To think Biden is now coming round to a 'humanitarian pause'. Blood on his hands. Is it one commander you have eliminated today Israel, for all this? Or two, or more and aren't they replaceable anyway? That's if we believe you at all. Netanyahu you are not eliminating Hamas, you are creating a new one.
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The Pentagon says there are no limits on how Israel uses US-provided weapons in their attacks in Gaza. A spokesperson said it's up to the IDF how it uses the weapons.

That would seem to most people to be an insane thing to permit.

Israel-Hamas war live: Palestinian death toll climbs to 9,061, including 3,760 children, says Gaza health ministry, it can't be very far wrong.

GBUs (guided bomb units) are precision-guided air-to-surface weapon systems, they are part of the Israeli arsenal provided by the USA, they appear to have been used at the Jelabia refugee camp against a defenceless civilian population.

The USA is culpable in genocide, it finances Israel and arms it, without apparently any control or responsibility.

To think Biden is now coming round to a 'humanitarian pause'.

Blood on his hands.

Is it one commander you have eliminated today Israel, for all this? Or two, or more and aren't they replaceable anyway? That's if we believe you at all.

Netanyahu you are not eliminating Hamas, you are creating a new one.

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cryrst The garden of England 02 Nov 23 5.20pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The Pentagon says there are no limits on how Israel uses US-provided weapons in their attacks in Gaza. A spokesperson said it's up to the IDF how it uses the weapons. That would seem to most people to be an insane thing to permit. Israel-Hamas war live: Palestinian death toll climbs to 9,061, including 3,760 children, says Gaza health ministry, it can't be very far wrong. GBUs (guided bomb units) are precision-guided air-to-surface weapon systems, they are part of the Israeli arsenal provided by the USA, they appear to have been used at the Jelabia refugee camp against a defenceless civilian population. The USA is culpable in genocide, it finances Israel and arms it, without apparently any control or responsibility. To think Biden is now coming round to a 'humanitarian pause'. Blood on his hands. Is it one commander you have eliminated today Israel, for all this? Or two, or more and aren't they replaceable anyway? That's if we believe you at all. Netanyahu you are not eliminating Hamas, you are creating a new one. And the Gaza health ministry is actually Hamas. The death toll the other day from a rocket started at 600 dead. By the end of the day it was less than 50. Yup 50 too many granted but do you see the point. Of course the terrorists will ramp up the figures. Israel hasn’t from what I’ve seen listed an amount of dead soldiers who are going into Gaza. They are dying but I doubt you will pray for their souls. Every life is precious, if it wears your colours!
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The garden of England 02 Nov 23 5.20pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The Pentagon says there are no limits on how Israel uses US-provided weapons in their attacks in Gaza. A spokesperson said it's up to the IDF how it uses the weapons.

That would seem to most people to be an insane thing to permit.

Israel-Hamas war live: Palestinian death toll climbs to 9,061, including 3,760 children, says Gaza health ministry, it can't be very far wrong.

The USA is culpable in genocide, it finances Israel and arms it, without apparently any control or responsibility.

To think Biden is now coming round to a 'humanitarian pause'.

Blood on his hands.

Is it one commander you have eliminated today Israel, for all this? Or two, or more and aren't they replaceable anyway? That's if we believe you at all.

Netanyahu you are not eliminating Hamas, you are creating a new one.

And the Gaza health ministry is actually Hamas. The death toll the other day from a rocket started at 600 dead. By the end of the day it was less than 50. Yup 50 too many granted but do you see the point. Of course the terrorists will ramp up the figures. Israel hasn’t from what I’ve seen listed an amount of dead soldiers who are going into Gaza. They are dying but I doubt you will pray for their souls. Every life is precious, if it wears your colours!

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dreamwaverider London 02 Nov 23 5.38pm
How many people do you reckon are positively connected to Hamas either as part of their "army"/gang or just supporters. My guess is there are a hell of a lot more than anyone dares say. At least, the vast majority of the 2 million in Gaza and millions more around the globe are at least anti Israel. Furthermore I can't see any way that what is happening now will eliminate any further terrorism in Israel. On the contrary. The more this situation, which has such a long history, goes on the more likely it is to be everlasting as they are never going to find a solution based on the past few weeks show of hatred and aggression. They are just creating even deeper wounds that are going to be very hard to heal. Both sides.
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How many people do you reckon are positively connected to Hamas either as part of their "army"/gang or just supporters. My guess is there are a hell of a lot more than anyone dares say. At least, the vast majority of the 2 million in Gaza and millions more around the globe are at least anti Israel.
Furthermore I can't see any way that what is happening now will eliminate any further terrorism in Israel. On the contrary. The more this situation, which has such a long history, goes on the more likely it is to be everlasting as they are never going to find a solution based on the past few weeks show of hatred and aggression. They are just creating even deeper wounds that are going to be very hard to heal. Both sides.

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Stirlingsays 03 Nov 23 12.05am
Apparently in 25 days there is now more civilians killed in Gaza than has been in 20 months of war in Ukraine. In my view the west should not be funding any of this death. Aside from the currently and future likely economic affects of both wars. Its interference in both conflicts has only put us....as a people at more risk from attacks both internal and external. I see zero upside to any of it.....ra ra war should be reserved for those willing to head off and fight in it. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2023 12.08am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Nov 23 12.05am

Apparently in 25 days there is now more civilians killed in Gaza than has been in 20 months of war in Ukraine.

In my view the west should not be funding any of this death. Aside from the currently and future likely economic affects of both wars. Its interference in both conflicts has only put us....as a people at more risk from attacks both internal and external.

I see zero upside to any of it.....ra ra war should be reserved for those willing to head off and fight in it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2023 12.08am)

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