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 Teddy Eagle  17 Feb 21 8.30am |
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Australia begins vaccine roll-out next week. This is a view from there.
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BlueJay  UK 17 Feb 21 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
People that have a vaccine can still get infected. Vaccinated people are less likely to become infected which of course stops them from spreading the virus. Beyond that it is thought (I wouldn't want to claim it as fact as the studies are still coming in) that even those who get infected often have lower viral loads in general meaning that they too are less likely to pass it on. So as a group, being vaccinated most definitely reduces transmission (by how much will will know over time), but yes it's of course still possible for some vaccinated individuals to pass on the virus. Being vaccinated still puts people in a much better position though.
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Feb 21 2.44pm |
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Flu has seen a 90% drop this year. Social distancing or more people vaccinated from 50 years old. If it's the latter then the covid one could work the same and prevent spread. If it's the former then stop being stupid and selfish.
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Rudi Hedman  Caterham 17 Feb 21 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Flu has seen a 90% drop this year. Social distancing or more people vaccinated from 50 years old. If it's the latter then the covid one could work the same and prevent spread. If it's the former then stop being stupid and selfish. 90% my &rse. Not long ago it was 95%. No doubt it’s reduced this season. But 90-95%? I doubt it. I expect other illnesses and deaths to be down as well, due to methods of determining and recording them, and of course details that are ignored if it’s a case of did they test positive for Covid? Yes? It’s Covid. Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Feb 2021 4.08pm)
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 grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 17 Feb 21 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Vaccinated people are less likely to become infected which of course stops them from spreading the virus. Beyond that it is thought (I wouldn't want to claim it as fact as the studies are still coming in) that even those who get infected often have lower viral loads in general meaning that they too are less likely to pass it on. So as a group, being vaccinated most definitely reduces transmission (by how much will will know over time), but yes it's of course still possible for some vaccinated individuals to pass on the virus. Being vaccinated still puts people in a much better position though.
Again said it before if they had done proper human controlled trials like they did with other vaccines we would already have this data currently we have none so nobody can claim anything so with no evidence no claims of it protecting or even reducing rates etc can be mentioned. They can't even provide evidence of when people should have second jab with UK govt even making up their own numbers. People that mention about flu drops again we don't know this they are not even paying attention to it but you would expect they should of decreased due to the people being away from others and colds/flu we never took serious people would go to work etc like it wasn't an issue not anymore they have excuses to stay off work.
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Feb 21 4.10pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
90% my &rse. Not long ago it was 95%. No doubt it’s reduced this season. But 90-95%? I doubt it. I expect other illnesses and deaths to be down as well, due to methods of determining and recording them and of course details that are ignored if Ts a case of did they test positive for Covid? Yes? It’s Covid. So you dont know why it's down and if the more people vaccinated or people distancing is the reason; mine is at least a good theory.
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| BlueJay UK 17 Feb 21 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
It's been only weeks since individuals have been vaccinated enmasse and so data is limited to that period of time. Israel is ahead of the curve in relation to vaccinating their population and there is most certainly data which strongly points towards a reduction in positive tests within those groups compared to others. Though there are early indications here too.
"Some 248,000 Maccabi members were already a week after the second shot as of Thursday. Of those, just 66 got infected with the virus, the majority of them over the age of 55 and about half of them with preexisting conditions. All those infected experienced only a mild form of the disease, and none were hospitalized.
Past studies have shown that when there is less virus in the body, a person is less likely to pass on coronavirus to others compared with people with a higher viral load - [Link] Oxford vaccine may reduce transmission by 67% - and protection 'remains for three-month jab interval' - [Link]
Edited by BlueJay (17 Feb 2021 5.00pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 17 Feb 21 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Vaccinated people are less likely to become infected which of course stops them from spreading the virus. Beyond that it is thought (I wouldn't want to claim it as fact as the studies are still coming in) that even those who get infected often have lower viral loads in general meaning that they too are less likely to pass it on. So as a group, being vaccinated most definitely reduces transmission (by how much will will know over time), but yes it's of course still possible for some vaccinated individuals to pass on the virus. Being vaccinated still puts people in a much better position though. No point explaining anything to him I'm afraid. You'll only get a stream of consciousness without a scintilla of thought or science back. And indeed without punctuation, presumably due to the angry pace of writing. Yes, a 90 percent success rate will result in a drop of cases of - well - 90%. This will reduce the R rate and the reservoir of people with COVID where it can continue to mutate. The 100% success rate of keeping people out of ITU/ICU means far lower average viral loads, as you state. Exposure to high viral loads is what has killed so many health workers, hitting the unprepared immune system too hard too quickly. FYI, Test Stages 1 to 3 were fully completed and involved 67,000 people for our two vaccines. No short-cuts. Test stage 4 is ongoing, as with all vaccines and medicines. Read MHRAs Yellow Card information if you want to see the immediate effects. Nobody with a serious case post vaccine. A few heart attacks, in line with normal population numbers.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Feb 21 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So you dont know why it's down and if the more people vaccinated or people distancing is the reason; mine is at least a good theory. Oh dear.
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Feb 21 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Oh dear. That's twice you've replied to me with that rudi.
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 17 Feb 21 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No point explaining anything to him I'm afraid. You'll only get a stream of consciousness without a scintilla of thought or science back. And indeed without punctuation, presumably due to the angry pace of writing. Yes, a 90 percent success rate will result in a drop of cases of - well - 90%. This will reduce the R rate and the reservoir of people with COVID where it can continue to mutate. The 100% success rate of keeping people out of ITU/ICU means far lower average viral loads, as you state. Exposure to high viral loads is what has killed so many health workers, hitting the unprepared immune system too hard too quickly. FYI, Test Stages 1 to 3 were fully completed and involved 67,000 people for our two vaccines. No short-cuts. Test stage 4 is ongoing, as with all vaccines and medicines. Read MHRAs Yellow Card information if you want to see the immediate effects. Nobody with a serious case post vaccine. A few heart attacks, in line with normal population numbers.
What did you not understand my wife who is a expert in the field has worked in it for over 20 years she has far more training then any of the UK people and in fact if you look at a lot of people in the UK that get training in infectious/tropical diseases which country do they go to for it Thailand. You have no evidence to anything you state it's the same old propaganda the NHS keeps pushing. You know nothing about trials clearly never been involved in anything to do with them and again if the trials was not fast tracked why do they not know if people can pass the virus on or even be infected two very simple things which proper trials reveal. Stop misleading and chatting rubbish. If people that are vulnerable want to take it go for it its their choice other people do not need it again backed up by science facts (don't listen to idiots like this poster who buys into hospitals over crowded because of covid-19 patients and all these deaths are caused by this virus only) BlueJay your links are worthless they are from media outlets post the data from the real trials or published papers otherwise we might as well just start posting stories from thesun in here like they are the truth. Edited by grumpymort (17 Feb 2021 5.45pm) Edited by grumpymort (17 Feb 2021 5.46pm)
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| BlueJay UK 17 Feb 21 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No point explaining anything to him I'm afraid. You'll only get a stream of consciousness without a scintilla of thought or science back. And indeed without punctuation, presumably due to the angry pace of writing. I did find it a bit annoying I will admit, when in good faith putting together the very latest findings and data (literally weeks old) based on the recent round of vaccinations, to be fobbed off with insults and inaccuracies for my troubles. Still, the overriding message coming through from the data is at least a positive and encouraging one. Some people can find a problem with anything. They are certainly picking up the pace Stateside too U.S. administers 56.3 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines - CDC - [Link]
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