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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 19 1.02pm
Originally posted by bexleydave I agree. If we always let these sort of players walk out the door we'll never be better than we are and, as you say, most likely worse. If we want to grow as a club, one of the surest ways is success on the pitch, and we won't do that if we allow all of the talent to be harvested. Exactly right.
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Originally posted by bexleydave

I agree. If we always let these sort of players walk out the door we'll never be better than we are and, as you say, most likely worse. If we want to grow as a club, one of the surest ways is success on the pitch, and we won't do that if we allow all of the talent to be harvested.

Exactly right.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 1.08pm
Selling Ian Wright was a clear mistake. I have mixed feelings about this type of situation. If a player doesn't want to play for you anymore then I think that's a disruptive force that affects the playing environment. I'm rather drawn the the conclusion that each situation is its own dynamic which requires cogent and wise oversight. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 1.08pm

Selling Ian Wright was a clear mistake.

I have mixed feelings about this type of situation. If a player doesn't want to play for you anymore then I think that's a disruptive force that affects the playing environment.

I'm rather drawn the the conclusion that each situation is its own dynamic which requires cogent and wise oversight.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Jun 19 1.19pm
I disagree that we can't sell our best players and thrive. Watford have proved that it's a workable model if you have the scouting system in place to replace the players that you let go. Unfortunately our scouting system is terrible. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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I disagree that we can't sell our best players and thrive.

Watford have proved that it's a workable model if you have the scouting system in place to replace the players that you let go. Unfortunately our scouting system is terrible.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jun 19 1.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So if we lost every week you'd be happy? Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons ! You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs. I would love our club to be in a position to build around it's best players rather than have to sell. But until Palace are bankrolled to the extent that it is possible to do that, it remains an ambition Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jun 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So if we lost every week you'd be happy?

Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons !

You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs.

I would love our club to be in a position to build around it's best players rather than have to sell. But until Palace are bankrolled to the extent that it is possible to do that, it remains an ambition

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CrazyBadger Ware 18 Jun 19 1.32pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All this talk of money. Don't Palace fans actually want to watch great players in the shirt? yes, I think we All do Quote Isn't that what fans pay money for? If United paid us a trillion pounds I would still be gutted to lose one of our most talented ever defenders. As would I... Quote We will never be anything all the time we sell our best talent and history shows that. Wright, Sansom, Armstrong, Taylor, Salako, McGoldrick, Moses, Fonte and more... All sold as we went backward. I agree It's not sustainable, and if we were to keep doing it, then that's a mistake. You take each opportunity on it's own Merit, and have to consider immediate needs as well as long term ones. Nobody wants to see AWB leave, but instead want to see the glaring deficiencies in our squad addressed so we can move on that way. Edited by CrazyBadger (18 Jun 2019 1.33pm) "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 18 Jun 19 1.32pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All this talk of money.

Don't Palace fans actually want to watch great players in the shirt?

yes, I think we All do

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Isn't that what fans pay money for?

If United paid us a trillion pounds I would still be gutted to lose one of our most talented ever defenders.

As would I...

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We will never be anything all the time we sell our best talent and history shows that.

Wright, Sansom, Armstrong, Taylor, Salako, McGoldrick, Moses, Fonte and more...

All sold as we went backward.

I agree It's not sustainable, and if we were to keep doing it, then that's a mistake. You take each opportunity on it's own Merit, and have to consider immediate needs as well as long term ones.
Nobody wants to see AWB leave, but instead want to see the glaring deficiencies in our squad addressed so we can move on that way.

Edited by CrazyBadger (18 Jun 2019 1.33pm)

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Eaglecoops CR3 18 Jun 19 1.39pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons ! You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs. I would love our club to be in a position to build around it's best players rather than have to sell. But until Palace are bankrolled to the extent that it is possible to do that, it remains an ambition Even more exactly right!
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CR3 18 Jun 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons !

You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs.

Even more exactly right!

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 18 Jun 19 1.55pm
Our team needs investment, we need income to do this. We will not get relegated because we sell our right back. That’s not being disrespectful to Aaron. There’s not many clubs that would implode when losing their best full back.
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Cambridge 18 Jun 19 1.55pm

Our team needs investment, we need income to do this. We will not get relegated because we sell our right back. That’s not being disrespectful to Aaron. There’s not many clubs that would implode when losing their best full back.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 19 3.00pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons ! You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs. I would love our club to be in a position to build around it's best players rather than have to sell. But until Palace are bankrolled to the extent that it is possible to do that, it remains an ambition I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base. I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team. We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players.
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Hrolf The Ganger

18 Jun 19 3.00pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons !

You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs.

I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base.
I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team.
We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jun 19 3.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base. I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team. We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players. Let's look at it another way. We have managed to keep Wilf, a '' star player '' despite the reported interest in him by other clubs. But not without a financial cost, he now earns £120k a week. You mention the constraints we have re an improved stadium and larger capacity - paying him, Benteke and Sakho such wages is only sustainable if you reduce the budget elsewhere. That's another reason why we aren't big spenders. I share your concern regarding whether funds from a player sale will be wisely spent, but it provides an opportunity to bring in players that otherwise would not be there. As with most things in life, there is a risk element in decisions that are made. I think the risk of Palace being relegated due to the sale of AWB is sufficiently low for it to be considered. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jun 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let's look at it another way.

We have managed to keep Wilf, a '' star player '' despite the reported interest in him by other clubs. But not without a financial cost, he now earns £120k a week. You mention the constraints we have re an improved stadium and larger capacity - paying him, Benteke and Sakho such wages is only sustainable if you reduce the budget elsewhere. That's another reason why we aren't big spenders.

I share your concern regarding whether funds from a player sale will be wisely spent, but it provides an opportunity to bring in players that otherwise would not be there.

As with most things in life, there is a risk element in decisions that are made. I think the risk of Palace being relegated due to the sale of AWB is sufficiently low for it to be considered.

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CrazyBadger Ware 18 Jun 19 3.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base. I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team. We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players. Now that we can agree on...but we have to have faith that our scouting department will find the right players, and then we can negotiate a deal to bring them here. That's a whole different problem! "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 18 Jun 19 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base.
I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team.
We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players.

Now that we can agree on...but we have to have faith that our scouting department will find the right players, and then we can negotiate a deal to bring them here.
That's a whole different problem!

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Tipp_Eagle Tipperary 18 Jun 19 3.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Exactly right. I agree also 100 percent , but what can you do if a player wants to leave . oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.
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Tipp_Eagle

Tipperary 18 Jun 19 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Exactly right.

I agree also 100 percent , but what can you do if a player wants to leave .

oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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Tipp_Eagle Tipperary 18 Jun 19 3.49pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger Now that we can agree on...but we have to have faith that our scouting department will find the right players, and then we can negotiate a deal to bring them here. That's a whole different problem! oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.
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Tipperary 18 Jun 19 3.49pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Now that we can agree on...but we have to have faith that our scouting department will find the right players, and then we can negotiate a deal to bring them here.
That's a whole different problem!

oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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