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 Ray in Houston  Houston 11 Dec 17 10.59pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
I would guess several reasons Who knows... but I do know they paid out before all evidence was collected by the defence lawyers. Which kinda says to me... if the evidence has yet to be seen... what are they basing their decision on? Anyway Ray... you keep dragging me back. I’m up at 4:40am tomorrow. I’m catching a train at 05:16. Sleep well Ray X
I had a client whose driver negligently killed an expectant mother (and her unborn child, obviously) and her daughter while severely, permanently injuring her surviving daughter. Settled for 5 million.
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7mins  In the bush 12 Dec 17 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I had a client whose driver negligently killed an expectant mother (and her unborn child, obviously) and her daughter while severely, permanently injuring her surviving daughter. Settled for 5 million.
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| 7mins In the bush 12 Dec 17 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I had a client whose driver negligently killed an expectant mother (and her unborn child, obviously) and her daughter while severely, permanently injuring her surviving daughter. Settled for 5 million. Are you suggesting they admitted guilt without looking at the evidence?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Dec 17 11.59am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
I would guess several reasons Who knows... but I do know they paid out before all evidence was collected by the defence lawyers. Which kinda says to me... if the evidence has yet to be seen... what are they basing their decision on? Anyway Ray... you keep dragging me back. I’m up at 4:40am tomorrow. I’m catching a train at 05:16. Sleep well Ray X Usually you settle because you're likely to lose, and in settling, you can avoid setting precedent that can be used in other cases. Also it can be used as a means to head off a class action lawsuit, as well as ensuring that certain witnesses and witness statements cannot become public domain. Last thing the US police forces want is to be established having their training or procedure declared unfit or to blame; as that would create grounds for a class action lawsuit No one settles for 7m because its cheaper in such cases.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Dec 17 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
It’s not about defending the cop. It’s about understanding how it happened. If you see the video... you see the kid make a move to his waistband. The report the police were responding to was someone pointing a rifle out the window of a hotel... like that nut job did at that concert. That’s what they thought they could be dealing with. Then the kid moves his hand to his waistband (after being told he’d be shot if he moved his hands) and the copper shot him. I think you generally have some very good points, esp regards to BLM and issues around that, but I think having watched the video, its a stretch to find for a defence of the cop being in fear of his life, by a kid complying with his increasingly bizarre and contrary orders. Nothing from watching that looked anything other than a cop persistently threatening to shot someone, before finding an excuse to shoot them.
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| 7mins In the bush 12 Dec 17 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Usually you settle because you're likely to lose, and in settling, you can avoid setting precedent that can be used in other cases. Also it can be used as a means to head off a class action lawsuit, as well as ensuring that certain witnesses and witness statements cannot become public domain. Last thing the US police forces want is to be established having their training or procedure declared unfit or to blame; as that would create grounds for a class action lawsuit No one settles for 7m because its cheaper in such cases. What lawsuit? There was no lawsuit filed. The city offered $6.4m to family before seeing evidence and before them being sued. Ferguson had just been demolished by riots.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 12 Dec 17 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Are you suggesting they admitted guilt without looking at the evidence?
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| Ray in Houston Houston 12 Dec 17 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
What lawsuit? There was no lawsuit filed. The city offered .4m to family before seeing evidence and before them being sued. Ferguson had just been demolished by riots.
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| 7mins In the bush 12 Dec 17 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Defence attorney. He said the city offering $6.4m before the trial, before a lawsuit has been filed, made his job of defending the officers extremely difficult. Hannity asked why he thought the city paid out, he replied no idea, we haven’t seen the evidence yet. My theory is... they saw Ferguson get destroyed, and decided to act quickly. So quick... they didn’t worry about evidence or pending court case.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Dec 17 3.49pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Defence attorney. He said the city offering .4m before the trial, before a lawsuit has been filed, made his job of defending the officers extremely difficult. Hannity asked why he thought the city paid out, he replied no idea, we haven’t seen the evidence yet. My theory is... they saw Ferguson get destroyed, and decided to act quickly. So quick... they didn’t worry about evidence or pending court case. That seems pretty reasonable basis for making that argument to me. The problems of Ferguson had made the situation of police violence in the US a powder keg - It does kind of make sense to avoid any 'escalation' creating. I don't think this seperates out from the problem, as you point out of US and guns - and the worrying trend of the police training and advice being to 'shoot first and ask questions later'. Problem is that this creates an atmosphere of fear, both in police officers responding and people being confronted by police officers - and that escalates the problem. As seen in the most recent case, the police officer could definitely be on a power trip, but he could arguably be looking for reasons not to shoot, whilst afraid for his life, and Shaver himself is clearly terrorified of being shot - unsurprisingly this kind of situation easily escalates when both sides are 'on the brink' and no one is acting to de-escalate the situation. Nervous hands on both sides, can easily end up with people being killed. But without holding police accountable, and without proper training aimed at protecting the public, the police in the US seem to be themselves becoming a threat to life; because they're entering relatively low risk situations, keyed up.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 12 Dec 17 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Defence attorney. He said the city offering .4m before the trial, before a lawsuit has been filed, made his job of defending the officers extremely difficult. Hannity asked why he thought the city paid out, he replied no idea, we haven’t seen the evidence yet. My theory is... they saw Ferguson get destroyed, and decided to act quickly. So quick... they didn’t worry about evidence or pending court case.
The criminal defense attorneys for the officers involved were annoyed because the settlement obviously could prejudice their case. But just because they claimed not yet to have seen the evidence doesn't mean - as you claim - that the city just wrote a check for 7 million over Gray's cooling corpse. The city would have been in possession of all the witness statements and they would have seen all the video evidence. But, at the end of the day, officers took into custody a healthy man and delivered to lock-up a man in a coma with a fatal spine injury (amongst other injuries). It's pretty hard to deny liability for his death at that point.
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| 7mins In the bush 12 Dec 17 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
That seems pretty reasonable basis for making that argument to me. The problems of Ferguson had made the situation of police violence in the US a powder keg - It does kind of make sense to avoid any 'escalation' creating. I don't think this seperates out from the problem, as you point out of US and guns - and the worrying trend of the police training and advice being to 'shoot first and ask questions later'. Problem is that this creates an atmosphere of fear, both in police officers responding and people being confronted by police officers - and that escalates the problem. As seen in the most recent case, the police officer could definitely be on a power trip, but he could arguably be looking for reasons not to shoot, whilst afraid for his life, and Shaver himself is clearly terrorified of being shot - unsurprisingly this kind of situation easily escalates when both sides are 'on the brink' and no one is acting to de-escalate the situation. Nervous hands on both sides, can easily end up with people being killed. But without holding police accountable, and without proper training aimed at protecting the public, the police in the US seem to be themselves becoming a threat to life; because they're entering relatively low risk situations, keyed up. Yes. I bet both sides are suspicious of each other. The whole trial by media after watching a short video clip drives me mad. Is this what we’ve become in our search for justice? We don’t know what info the responding officer was told, we don’t know what he’s training is. He may have been trained to shot the moment the suspect moves his hands towards his waistband. Yet people are still prepared to call the officer a “murderer” based on nothing but a short video clip.
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