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chris123 hove actually 08 Aug 15 8.24pm
Quote nickgusset at 08 Aug 2015 8.04pm Erm, why are people coming out of Libya in particular do you think? What caused this? Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.31pm Quote susmik at 08 Aug 2015 10.17am The situation across the whole of Europe is getting worse and I think this old article says it all really. [Link] The figures are terrible and something has to be done! [Link] Good articles that show how this nonsense is getting completely out of hand. The only thing to do is to stop the boats leaving in the first place, but this won't happen and they'll continue to come and soon we'll be over run, but the liberals are more than happy to acommadate them with your money. Criminals - people traffickers.
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hove actually 08 Aug 15 8.24pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 Aug 2015 8.04pm

Erm, why are people coming out of Libya in particular do you think? What caused this?

Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.31pm

Quote susmik at 08 Aug 2015 10.17am

The situation across the whole of Europe is getting worse and I think this old article says it all really.
[Link]

The figures are terrible and something has to be done!

[Link]

Good articles that show how this nonsense is getting completely out of hand. The only thing to do is to stop the boats leaving in the first place, but this won't happen and they'll continue to come and soon we'll be over run, but the liberals are more than happy to acommadate them with your money.

Criminals - people traffickers.

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legaleagle 08 Aug 15 8.39pm
Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote leggedstruggle at 07 Aug 2015 10.40pm Perhaps Legaleagle and his cohorts on here should get on some Greek forums and tell them how they are so lucky being enriched by this. [Link] Don't worry @Leggedstruggle, they probably are already being sanctimonious and patronising on Greek forums telling them how this invasion is a such a wonderful thing and despite their country being more or less bankrupt they must lavish benefits on them and anyone who disagrees with them is a facist, Hitler loving murderer and that they'll burn in hell. Just got back from Norwich actually Clearly there is a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions about which something has to be done.Syria falling apart.Libya falling apart.Anyone who thinks the people are risking their lives on the oceans because they are fixated on the UK and its "benefits" is IMO bonkers. Got no issue with a sensible discussion about how we deal with it,Europe wide.Only issue for me with that is people who so hate anyone not like them they'd move if people of a different race ethnicity or religion to them moved into their neighbourhood,or would only have a migrant or refugee ever sharing four walls with them if they moved out and booby trapped the place first.For some reason they think people compare such sentiments unfairly with fascistic sentiments. A sense of perspective is needed.Remember the Vietnamese "boat people".Big big humamitarian/immigration crisis.Lots of people like LS and FUE in Australia proclaiming the world they knew was about to end.800,000 1975-95.Today, situation in source country sorted,"boat people"well settled in most countries they ended up in and making a contribution to those societies. What is needed is some sensible discussion about dealing with the host country situation,the humanitarian crisis in places like Greece and Italy, and averting illegal migration. Sensible (as opposed to simply hating and obsessing on migrants (any and all migrants) as a point of principle full stop) being the operative word.
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08 Aug 15 8.39pm

Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 07 Aug 2015 10.40pm

Perhaps Legaleagle and his cohorts on here should get on some Greek forums and tell them how they are so lucky being enriched by this.

[Link]

Don't worry @Leggedstruggle, they probably are already being sanctimonious and patronising on Greek forums telling them how this invasion is a such a wonderful thing and despite their country being more or less bankrupt they must lavish benefits on them and anyone who disagrees with them is a facist, Hitler loving murderer and that they'll burn in hell.

Just got back from Norwich actually

Clearly there is a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions about which something has to be done.Syria falling apart.Libya falling apart.Anyone who thinks the people are risking their lives on the oceans because they are fixated on the UK and its "benefits" is IMO bonkers.

Got no issue with a sensible discussion about how we deal with it,Europe wide.Only issue for me with that is people who so hate anyone not like them they'd move if people of a different race ethnicity or religion to them moved into their neighbourhood,or would only have a migrant or refugee ever sharing four walls with them if they moved out and booby trapped the place first.For some reason they think people compare such sentiments unfairly with fascistic sentiments.

A sense of perspective is needed.Remember the Vietnamese "boat people".Big big humamitarian/immigration crisis.Lots of people like LS and FUE in Australia proclaiming the world they knew was about to end.800,000 1975-95.Today, situation in source country sorted,"boat people"well settled in most countries they ended up in and making a contribution to those societies.

What is needed is some sensible discussion about dealing with the host country situation,the humanitarian crisis in places like Greece and Italy, and averting illegal migration. Sensible (as opposed to simply hating and obsessing on migrants (any and all migrants) as a point of principle full stop) being the operative word.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Aug 15 9.03pm
Quote chris123 at 08 Aug 2015 8.24pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Aug 2015 8.04pm Erm, why are people coming out of Libya in particular do you think? What caused this? Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.31pm Quote susmik at 08 Aug 2015 10.17am The situation across the whole of Europe is getting worse and I think this old article says it all really. [Link] The figures are terrible and something has to be done! [Link] Good articles that show how this nonsense is getting completely out of hand. The only thing to do is to stop the boats leaving in the first place, but this won't happen and they'll continue to come and soon we'll be over run, but the liberals are more than happy to acommadate them with your money. Criminals - people traffickers. Why are people trying to get out of Libya? Stop being facetious
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Shizzlehurst 08 Aug 15 9.03pm

Quote chris123 at 08 Aug 2015 8.24pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 Aug 2015 8.04pm

Erm, why are people coming out of Libya in particular do you think? What caused this?

Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.31pm

Quote susmik at 08 Aug 2015 10.17am

The situation across the whole of Europe is getting worse and I think this old article says it all really.
[Link]

The figures are terrible and something has to be done!

[Link]

Criminals - people traffickers.

Why are people trying to get out of Libya? Stop being facetious

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Catfish Burgess Hill 08 Aug 15 9.33pm
Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 8.39pm Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote leggedstruggle at 07 Aug 2015 10.40pm Perhaps Legaleagle and his cohorts on here should get on some Greek forums and tell them how they are so lucky being enriched by this. [Link] Don't worry @Leggedstruggle, they probably are already being sanctimonious and patronising on Greek forums telling them how this invasion is a such a wonderful thing and despite their country being more or less bankrupt they must lavish benefits on them and anyone who disagrees with them is a facist, Hitler loving murderer and that they'll burn in hell. Just got back from Norwich actually Clearly there is a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions about which something has to be done.Syria falling apart.Libya falling apart.Anyone who thinks the people are risking their lives on the oceans because they are fixated on the UK and its "benefits" is IMO bonkers. Got no issue with a sensible discussion about how we deal with it,Europe wide.Only issue for me with that is people who so hate anyone not like them they'd move if people of a different race ethnicity or religion to them moved into their neighbourhood,or would only have a migrant or refugee ever sharing four walls with them if they moved out and booby trapped the place first.For some reason they think people compare such sentiments unfairly with fascistic sentiments. A sense of perspective is needed.Remember the Vietnamese "boat people".Big big humamitarian/immigration crisis.Lots of people like LS and FUE in Australia proclaiming the world they knew was about to end.800,000 1975-95.Today, situation in source country sorted,"boat people"well settled in most countries they ended up in and making a contribution to those societies. What is needed is some sensible discussion about dealing with the host country situation,the humanitarian crisis in places like Greece and Italy, and averting illegal migration. Sensible (as opposed to simply hating and obsessing on migrants (any and all migrants) as a point of principle full stop) being the operative word. I agree, but the 1951 Convention does not provide the vehicle to achieve a result. It was drawn up to deal with a repeat of the 1930s Jewish refugee crisis and not with the intention of dealing with an inflow of unscreened migrants from outside Europe. The 51 convention replaced one drawn up in 1933. Surely a new one is long overdue? Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Burgess Hill 08 Aug 15 9.33pm

Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 8.39pm

Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 07 Aug 2015 10.40pm

Perhaps Legaleagle and his cohorts on here should get on some Greek forums and tell them how they are so lucky being enriched by this.

[Link]

Just got back from Norwich actually

Clearly there is a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions about which something has to be done.Syria falling apart.Libya falling apart.Anyone who thinks the people are risking their lives on the oceans because they are fixated on the UK and its "benefits" is IMO bonkers.

I agree, but the 1951 Convention does not provide the vehicle to achieve a result. It was drawn up to deal with a repeat of the 1930s Jewish refugee crisis and not with the intention of dealing with an inflow of unscreened migrants from outside Europe. The 51 convention replaced one drawn up in 1933. Surely a new one is long overdue?

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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leggedstruggle Croydon 08 Aug 15 11.12pm
Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 8.39pm Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote leggedstruggle at 07 Aug 2015 10.40pm Perhaps Legaleagle and his cohorts on here should get on some Greek forums and tell them how they are so lucky being enriched by this. [Link] Don't worry @Leggedstruggle, they probably are already being sanctimonious and patronising on Greek forums telling them how this invasion is a such a wonderful thing and despite their country being more or less bankrupt they must lavish benefits on them and anyone who disagrees with them is a facist, Hitler loving murderer and that they'll burn in hell. Just got back from Norwich actually Clearly there is a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions about which something has to be done.Syria falling apart.Libya falling apart.Anyone who thinks the people are risking their lives on the oceans because they are fixated on the UK and its "benefits" is IMO bonkers. Got no issue with a sensible discussion about how we deal with it,Europe wide.Only issue for me with that is people who so hate anyone not like them they'd move if people of a different race ethnicity or religion to them moved into their neighbourhood,or would only have a migrant or refugee ever sharing four walls with them if they moved out and booby trapped the place first.For some reason they think people compare such sentiments unfairly with fascistic sentiments. A sense of perspective is needed.Remember the Vietnamese "boat people".Big big humamitarian/immigration crisis.Lots of people like LS and FUE in Australia proclaiming the world they knew was about to end.800,000 1975-95.Today, situation in source country sorted,"boat people"well settled in most countries they ended up in and making a contribution to those societies. What is needed is some sensible discussion about dealing with the host country situation,the humanitarian crisis in places like Greece and Italy, and averting illegal migration. Sensible (as opposed to simply hating and obsessing on migrants (any and all migrants) as a point of principle full stop) being the operative word. This post is a very good example of the priorities of the New Left. Having said that there is "a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions", Comrade Legaleagle goes on to say "Only issue for me" is people choosing to move house if they no longer like the neighbours, and people not actually housing immigrants in their own homes. He then implies that such actions are "Fascistic". A sense of perspective is indeed needed - Dave Spart lives. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 08 Aug 15 11.12pm

Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 8.39pm

Quote fed up eagle at 08 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 07 Aug 2015 10.40pm

Perhaps Legaleagle and his cohorts on here should get on some Greek forums and tell them how they are so lucky being enriched by this.

[Link]

Just got back from Norwich actually

This post is a very good example of the priorities of the New Left. Having said that there is "a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions", Comrade Legaleagle goes on to say "Only issue for me" is people choosing to move house if they no longer like the neighbours, and people not actually housing immigrants in their own homes. He then implies that such actions are "Fascistic". A sense of perspective is indeed needed - Dave Spart lives.

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legaleagle 08 Aug 15 11.50pm
Thanks for illustrating my point so well
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legaleagle

08 Aug 15 11.50pm

Thanks for illustrating my point so well

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legaleagle 08 Aug 15 11.59pm
Quote Catfish at 08 Aug 2015 9.33pm I agree, but the 1951 Convention does not provide the vehicle to achieve a result. It was drawn up to deal with a repeat of the 1930s Jewish refugee crisis and not with the intention of dealing with an inflow of unscreened migrants from outside Europe. The 51 convention replaced one drawn up in 1933. Surely a new one is long overdue? I don't disagree this humanitarian crisis won't be solved by the Convention,though I'd say it was drawn up in response to the post-war "displaced persons" crises rather than anything pre-war. The practical effect of the convention is just a mechanism for whether or not people qualify to be given asylum as refugees pursuant to the convention post-arrival.Nothing in the Convention,for example,deals with issues in countries of origin or the fate of those arriving not qualifying to stay under the convention.Doubtful anything like all those arriving in Greece or Italy would qualify for asylum.The Vietnamese boat people were a good example of countries taking people in where they were not the country where asylum was initially sought. Edited by legaleagle (08 Aug 2015 11.59pm)
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08 Aug 15 11.59pm

Quote Catfish at 08 Aug 2015 9.33pm

I don't disagree this humanitarian crisis won't be solved by the Convention,though I'd say it was drawn up in response to the post-war "displaced persons" crises rather than anything pre-war.

The practical effect of the convention is just a mechanism for whether or not people qualify to be given asylum as refugees pursuant to the convention post-arrival.Nothing in the Convention,for example,deals with issues in countries of origin or the fate of those arriving not qualifying to stay under the convention.Doubtful anything like all those arriving in Greece or Italy would qualify for asylum.The Vietnamese boat people were a good example of countries taking people in where they were not the country where asylum was initially sought.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 09 Aug 15 9.51am
Another day, another load of patronising twaddle from illegal Eagle and Dick Gusset. I've given you an solution, stop them leaving their country of origin, but oh no! We simply must have them here so we can lavish money on them, IT IS OUR DESTINY!! Edited by fed up eagle (09 Aug 2015 9.52am)
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 09 Aug 15 9.51am

Another day, another load of patronising twaddle from illegal Eagle and Dick Gusset. I've given you an solution, stop them leaving their country of origin, but oh no! We simply must have them here so we can lavish money on them, IT IS OUR DESTINY!!

Edited by fed up eagle (09 Aug 2015 9.52am)

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legaleagle 09 Aug 15 10.13am
Quote fed up eagle at 09 Aug 2015 9.51am Another day, another load of patronising twaddle from illegal Eagle and Dick Gusset. I've given you an solution, stop them leaving their country of origin, but oh no! We simply must have them here so we can lavish money on them, IT IS OUR DESTINY!! Edited by fed up eagle (09 Aug 2015 9.52am) Sorry that you feel suggesting a sensible discussion of issues (including sorting matters out in countries of origin) is "twaddle". Edited by legaleagle (09 Aug 2015 10.14am)
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09 Aug 15 10.13am

Quote fed up eagle at 09 Aug 2015 9.51am

Edited by fed up eagle (09 Aug 2015 9.52am)

Sorry that you feel suggesting a sensible discussion of issues (including sorting matters out in countries of origin) is "twaddle".

Edited by legaleagle (09 Aug 2015 10.14am)

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leggedstruggle Croydon 09 Aug 15 10.28am
Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 11.50pm Thanks for illustrating my point so well You heard it here first folks. According to Comrade Legaleagle, if you do not share your home with an asylum seeker you are a Fascist - yes, you are akin to regimes that gassed 6 million Jew. Hands up (at a 45 degree angle of course) if you have never given your spare room to someone just in from Calais. By the way Comrade L. we still await your reasons for why you think there is a necessity for any immigration controls whatsoever, and if there is a need, what they should be. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 09 Aug 15 10.28am

Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 11.50pm

Thanks for illustrating my point so well

You heard it here first folks. According to Comrade Legaleagle, if you do not share your home with an asylum seeker you are a Fascist - yes, you are akin to regimes that gassed 6 million Jew. Hands up (at a 45 degree angle of course) if you have never given your spare room to someone just in from Calais.

By the way Comrade L. we still await your reasons for why you think there is a necessity for any immigration controls whatsoever, and if there is a need, what they should be.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 09 Aug 15 10.29am
Quote leggedstruggle at 09 Aug 2015 10.28am Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 11.50pm Thanks for illustrating my point so well You heard it here first folks. According to Comrade Legaleagle, if you do not share your home with an asylum seeker you are a Fascist - yes, you are akin to regimes that gassed 6 million Jews. Hands up (at a 45 degree angle of course) if you have never given your spare room to someone just in from Calais. By the way Comrade L. we still await your reasons for why you think there is a necessity for any immigration controls whatsoever, and if there is a need, what they should be. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 09 Aug 15 10.29am

Quote leggedstruggle at 09 Aug 2015 10.28am

Quote legaleagle at 08 Aug 2015 11.50pm

Thanks for illustrating my point so well

You heard it here first folks. According to Comrade Legaleagle, if you do not share your home with an asylum seeker you are a Fascist - yes, you are akin to regimes that gassed 6 million Jews. Hands up (at a 45 degree angle of course) if you have never given your spare room to someone just in from Calais.

By the way Comrade L. we still await your reasons for why you think there is a necessity for any immigration controls whatsoever, and if there is a need, what they should be.

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legaleagle 09 Aug 15 10.46am
Fair enough. Booby trapping your home (having moved out)before a migrant moves in is a perfectly reasonable and non extremist position for an individual to take.Being inherently averse to anyone of a different race,religion or ethnicity to you is a perfectly reasonable and non extreme position to take.Anyone who finds such positions distasteful is by definition plainly a Dave Spart type member of the "new left". I've already said what my position on immigration controls for the UK is on here,more than once.I believe in free movement of goods,services and labour within the EU because of the overall benefits.I believe in immigration controls re non EU nationals,based on a points-like system similar to that in operation in Australia.One that seeks not to discriminate on grounds of race,religion or ethnicity.Not too dissimilar to what we already have in place.I do not support illegal migration into the UK. I think EU members may need to review the Schengen arrangement (we never signed up). I believe in compliance with the 1951 UN Convention re asylum.A perhaps "middle of the road" position to anyone not viewing the road from a position anchored firmly on the fringes of the verge of the right hand side of the road. What is your ideal immigration system for 1. Europe and 2. the UK? What is your solution for dealing with "push" factors in countries of origin? What is your solution in respect of migrants/refugees who have already reached Europe's shores? Edited by legaleagle (09 Aug 2015 11.01am)
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09 Aug 15 10.46am

Fair enough. Booby trapping your home (having moved out)before a migrant moves in is a perfectly reasonable and non extremist position for an individual to take.Being inherently averse to anyone of a different race,religion or ethnicity to you is a perfectly reasonable and non extreme position to take.Anyone who finds such positions distasteful is by definition plainly a Dave Spart type member of the "new left".

I've already said what my position on immigration controls for the UK is on here,more than once.I believe in free movement of goods,services and labour within the EU because of the overall benefits.I believe in immigration controls re non EU nationals,based on a points-like system similar to that in operation in Australia.One that seeks not to discriminate on grounds of race,religion or ethnicity.Not too dissimilar to what we already have in place.I do not support illegal migration into the UK. I think EU members may need to review the Schengen arrangement (we never signed up). I believe in compliance with the 1951 UN Convention re asylum.A perhaps "middle of the road" position to anyone not viewing the road from a position anchored firmly on the fringes of the verge of the right hand side of the road.

What is your ideal immigration system for 1. Europe and 2. the UK?

What is your solution for dealing with "push" factors in countries of origin?

What is your solution in respect of migrants/refugees who have already reached Europe's shores?

Edited by legaleagle (09 Aug 2015 11.01am)

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