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 Mapletree  Croydon 21 Aug 20 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
To repeat the only one I can remember being held accountable in my Department was Jackie Smith, didn’t say they shouldn’t be held accountable. Edited by Spiderman (21 Aug 2020 4.14pm) So which of the following would you term as a fully experienced and capable leader? Boris Johnson I have left out Gove who is a weird Peter Pan figure and a bunch of people who don't have enough profile to know much about them. To me, the Cabinet is just stuffed full of work experience people.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Aug 20 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So which of the following would you term as a fully experienced and capable leader? Boris Johnson I have left out Gove who is a weird Peter Pan figure and a bunch of people who don't have enough profile to know much about them. To me, the Cabinet is just stuffed full of work experience people. They are so incompetent they fit the voters exactly. After another two years of them, those of us left after covid will turn our taps on and find there is no water. Ridiculous, no it is likely......
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| Spiderman Horsham 21 Aug 20 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So which of the following would you term as a fully experienced and capable leader? Boris Johnson I have left out Gove who is a weird Peter Pan figure and a bunch of people who don't have enough profile to know much about them. To me, the Cabinet is just stuffed full of work experience people. I cannot see the relevance of that question in reply to my post,
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| Spiderman Horsham 21 Aug 20 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
They are so incompetent they fit the voters exactly. After another two years of them, those of us left after covid will turn our taps on and find there is no water. Ridiculous, no it is likely...... Ffs there are some very bitter posters on here Edited by Spiderman (21 Aug 2020 5.47pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 21 Aug 20 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I cannot see the relevance of that question in reply to my post, Really? They are boys and girls, not one of them classes as a grown up. One or two may come good .. one day.
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| Spiderman Horsham 21 Aug 20 6.00pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Really? They are boys and girls, not one of them classes as a grown up. One or two may come good .. one day. Bit like you with the tone of some of your replies. IMO to call any adult a boy or girl is patronising. Do you call your staff boys and girls? If so not really becoming of an HR Director surely?
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| Mapletree Croydon 21 Aug 20 6.05pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Bit like you with the tone of some of your replies. IMO to call any adult a boy or girl is patronising. Do you call your staff boys and girls? If so not really becoming of an HR Director surely? No, they are far more mature and don't make as many mistakes.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Aug 20 6.17pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The empathy approach grinds my gears. I want to see action and solutions. Not metaphorically stroking everyone’s crown of the head like you do your son’s. Agreed. Society suffers in the long run. Teaching needs to look at itself rather than continually point the finger elsewhere. But the culture and the incentives within the system mean that won't happen. There is no one person to blame. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Aug 2020 6.31pm)
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| Stirlingsays 21 Aug 20 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Scientists and Civil Servants are advisors. The political decisions are made by the government, and it is those in power who should be accountable.
When you say only the figurehead is to blame....often a figurehead who has had only a year or two in a job it's just putting your blinkers on. Whereas the people advising and creating the rules within the system have often been there for decades within powerful capacities. When a manager gets the sack, we can say that their decisions are to blame....and that will be true to a greater or lesser extent....but only the blind refuse to look at the quality of the players. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Aug 2020 6.24pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 21 Aug 20 6.27pm |
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Ok if you say so. Who would dare disagree with you on here!
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| Spiderman Horsham 21 Aug 20 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
When you say only the figurehead is to blame....often a figurehead who has had only a year or two in a job it's just putting your blinkers on. Whereas the people advising and creating the rules within the system have often been there for decades within powerful capacities. When a manager gets the sack, we can say that their decisions are to blame....and that will be true to a greater or lesser extent....but only the blind refuse to look at the quality of the players. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Aug 2020 6.24pm) 100% Although not a Minister, when BF appointed a new Director General ( ex Navy) he assumed that the SCS running the Department were competent in BF issues. He quickly realised this was not the case and spent his whole tenure trying to remove the SCS, unfortunately for him this was not as easy as he thought. He was an ideal DG who showed concern for staff and could see through the incompetence. Unfortunately he decided to retire as the changes he wanted to implement were just not possible.
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| Mapletree Croydon 21 Aug 20 6.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
When you say only the figurehead is to blame....often a figurehead who has had only a year or two in a job it's just putting your blinkers on. Whereas the people advising and creating the rules within the system have often been there for decades within powerful capacities. When a manager gets the sack, we can say that their decisions are to blame....and that will be true to a greater or lesser extent....but only the blind refuse to look at the quality of the players.
Ministers select their own advisers Stirling. Their key supporter will be someone brought in from outside. See my earlier post. I do not believe it was the idea of a senior civil servant to remove AS levels from the curriculum. In the end the decision to can AS Levels was one Gove made having spoken with many people. He didn't actually mention any civil servants at the time as I recall. He did mention academics and educationalists. That is one of the biggest reasons for the current shambles. So, well let's blame Ofqual. It can't really fight back.
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