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hedgehog50  Croydon 05 Feb 17 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Good point. UKIP is a party that knows it can hoover up votes, from the more hardline Tories and traditional working class Labour voters by harping on about immigration. It doesn't have to publicise it's other policies, because it is to the detriment of the party to do so. A lot of the ex Labour voters would be driven away by it's low taxation (and intrinsically anti NHS) policies. By concentrating on the 'big winners' for the traditional working class (overturn smoking ban, for example, plus anti immigration) UKIP get the votes and can gloss over everything else. I think UKIP is pretty much finished a a separate party now. It has achieved what it set out to do - get us out of the EU. Reversing the smoking ban isn't going to attract load of votes, if any. They would be better off disbanding and perhaps joining the Conservatives.
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 Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 05 Feb 17 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I think UKIP is pretty much finished a a separate party now. It has achieved what it set out to do - get us out of the EU. Reversing the smoking ban isn't going to attract load of votes, if any. They would be better off disbanding and perhaps joining the Conservatives. I'm sure if they wanted to bring back fox hunting, the death penalty, and maybe public flogging of sex offenders, on top of curbing immigration, they'd be a stronger party than Labour and the Limp Dems. However, two right wing parties in the majority of Parliament would spell disaster. Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (05 Feb 2017 8.02pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 08 Feb 17 11.14am |
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Greece in the news. Bond holders fear a new crisis: This couldn't come at a worst time for the EU. If things go bad for Greece in the coming weeks, Le Pen and Wilders will gain votes in the upcoming French and Dutch elections. If anti EU parties win in these states, surely the EU federalist project will be dead. What amazes me is the EU is not offering a vision on the future, just project fear rhetoric and inertia.
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| Part Time James 08 Feb 17 11.20am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I think UKIP is pretty much finished a a separate party now. It has achieved what it set out to do - get us out of the EU. Reversing the smoking ban isn't going to attract load of votes, if any. They would be better off disbanding and perhaps joining the Conservatives. Funny you should say that. I have voted UKIP for a while now and have a mate who has stood for UKIP before. He's a bit horrified that I said that I don't feel like I need to vote for them any more now. Whip us out of the EU and provided Theresa May does a decent job of it (eventually) then I will switch my vote to Conservative...probably. I'll re-evaluate anyway. I guess my mate believes in voting for a party over policies more than I do, but I don't think I feel any ongoing loyalty to the party once this is all done and dusted.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Feb 17 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Greece in the news. Bond holders fear a new crisis: This couldn't come at a worst time for the EU. If things go bad for Greece in the coming weeks, Le Pen and Wilders will gain votes in the upcoming French and Dutch elections. If anti EU parties win in these states, surely the EU federalist project will be dead. What amazes me is the EU is not offering a vision on the future, just project fear rhetoric and inertia. Your tone suggests that you are happy with far right parties gaining a foothold across Europe. Am I wrong?
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| elgrande bedford 08 Feb 17 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Your tone suggests that you are happy with far right parties gaining a foothold across Europe. Am I wrong? Digging gain gusset,nothing in his tone suggests that ( can you tell from a sentence).
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Feb 17 3.58pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Funny you should say that. I have voted UKIP for a while now and have a mate who has stood for UKIP before. He's a bit horrified that I said that I don't feel like I need to vote for them any more now. Whip us out of the EU and provided Theresa May does a decent job of it (eventually) then I will switch my vote to Conservative...probably. I'll re-evaluate anyway. I guess my mate believes in voting for a party over policies more than I do, but I don't think I feel any ongoing loyalty to the party once this is all done and dusted. Yes, I'm the same. Only voted for UKIP to help get out of the EU prison. Not really interested in their other policies - not even sure what they are. I would like a sane Labour party to vote for, but in the meantime will vote Conservative, especially as Theresa May seems to displaying a good deal of common sense.
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| davenotamonkey 08 Feb 17 8.19pm |
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The ayes have it: 494 to 122, no amendments. Off to the Lords, then into law. 7th March is the rumoured date.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Feb 17 10.01pm |
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The vote offered to parliament as to whether the UK accepts a brexit deal is just that it is not a concession. It does not mean that if parliament votes no that the UK will go back and try for a better deal it means that the UK is out. That's at least until tomorrow morning...........
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Feb 17 8.01am |
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To thee belongs the rural reign;
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Kermit8  Hevon 09 Feb 17 9.17am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
To thee belongs the rural reign; I'd like to teach the world to sing...
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| SeagullHunter Reading 09 Feb 17 9.28am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Greece in the news. Bond holders fear a new crisis: This couldn't come at a worst time for the EU. If things go bad for Greece in the coming weeks, Le Pen and Wilders will gain votes in the upcoming French and Dutch elections. If anti EU parties win in these states, surely the EU federalist project will be dead. What amazes me is the EU is not offering a vision on the future, just project fear rhetoric and inertia. Interesting situation in France currently. Half my family are French and was over there for the Christmas period, general sentiment then was that Le Pen was 'too' radical for getting anywhere close in the election. Fast forward a month and a half and it's not as unlikely as some tabloids are touting. The thing is with the French is that generally they have always been slightly racist, stemming back to when Algerians were targets of abuse - but the difference between them and us is that they are aware of the contribution to the economy. The mainstream media actually highlights the effects on La Defense, their financial centre, which would be extremely hard hit if they were to swing towards the far-right. I think the problem is that the recent attacks, as well as those that have been quashed over the past few months, are still fresh in the mind of 'less intelligent' voters - which could see a far closer vote than we are all expecting. RE: Greece - their government is in trouble again, no doubt about it, yields creeping up for the first time since they last went bankrupt.
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