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Spiderman Flag Horsham 20 Aug 20 8.23pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

This Government hasn't got anything right at all that I can see, has changed it's mind at very short notice on lots of issues and has also lied to us.

I don't remember anything quite as dramatic in the past, where mistake upon mistake is made. Yet still 42% of people would vote for them again. Nowt so queer as folk.

Maybe because all governments rely on the ability of Senior Civil Servants. I am very friendly with one such person who advised the Government that only 10000 Poles would come to the U.K. and most would leave within 5 years. Yeh right,

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Aug 20 9.44pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Maybe because all governments rely on the ability of Senior Civil Servants. I am very friendly with one such person who advised the Government that only 10000 Poles would come to the U.K. and most would leave within 5 years. Yeh right,

In that case it’s surprising how much worse civil servants became on or around 24 July 2019.

Perhaps due to the ‘seismic changes’ Cummings was plotting.

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Edited by Mapletree (20 Aug 2020 9.44pm)

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Aug 20 10.08pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, I pretty much agree with all of that.

The fact that the Tories are perhaps marginally better at running departments than Labour's idealogs is faint praise from me and I have no issues with the reality that the real source of the incompetence lies within the system......which the Tories have been in charge far more years than Labour.

You are kinder concerning the schools than I am. When the average is a whopping 9 percent higher between predicted and last year's reality serious questions need to be asked.

Teachers aren't there to be generous to students, they are there to be robust and represent the system...but we know that in truth, the system doesn't reward robust teachers and it incentivizes teachers to look for anyway they can to give good grades rather than pure reality.

What this shows is what I was aware of anyway...a cultural generational malaise within the system, which focuses far too much upon empathy and not enough upon meritocracy.

It's all smiles until the day the bridge you're crossing falls down....a bit melodramatic perhaps but not unprecedented in reality.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Aug 2020 8.02pm)

The empathy approach grinds my gears. I want to see action and solutions. Not metaphorically stroking everyone’s crown of the head like you do your son’s.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Aug 20 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Like I said these kids will be blank during the first lesson at uni.
Who will be the fall guy then.
The teachers or the u turn.

The drop out figures will be large after whenever they reach the summer after year 1.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Aug 20 10.41pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The drop out figures will be large after whenever they reach the summer after year 1.

And dont be surprised when the finger is pointed at HMG
I also saw unis are now blowing hard for more money because of the amount of pupils. Still the same old story. Money solves the problems.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Aug 20 12.12am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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The national Covid reporting scandal will be exposed.

 


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CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 21 Aug 20 12.41am Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

Does anyone have a definitive answer to covid.

The answer is no.

Conservative/Labour?

We'Ve just got to ride this out.

Mistakes will be made.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Aug 20 5.52am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

In that case it’s surprising how much worse civil servants became on or around 24 July 2019.

Perhaps due to the ‘seismic changes’ Cummings was plotting.

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Edited by Mapletree (20 Aug 2020 9.44pm)

In your first paragraph you should have said Senior Civil Servants.
Have they become worse? I am not sure about that, having been in CS for over 40 years imo they have always been pretty bad, much of their incompetence doesn’t reach the public domain so “Joe Public” are unaware.
One of the changes I believe he wanted to make was to ensure those SCS running departments, actually had experience of the work in that Department, which is no bad thing surely? Previously they moved from Department to Department, often causing havoc but moved around to further their own careers, without a backward glance.
In my Department wholesale changes were made to working practices/shift patterns about 8 years ago. They were advised they were not workable. However they knew better than those who had worked there for years. End result.... chaos for 8 years, now they are trying to find a way to return to the way it used to be.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Aug 20 6.53am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Just been reading that the 2nd spike in Spain and possibly other countries is due to migrant farm workers. They have to move from farm to farm region to region to earn their living and they are not looked after by the farmers.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Aug 20 8.21am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Just been reading that the 2nd spike in Spain and possibly other countries is due to migrant farm workers. They have to move from farm to farm region to region to earn their living and they are not looked after by the farmers.

Not surprising although I would have thought the influx of tourists didn’t help.
We exempted farm workers from Covid testing and isolating, that what happens when you bow to pressure from certain sectors

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 21 Aug 20 8.22am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

In your first paragraph you should have said Senior Civil Servants.
Have they become worse? I am not sure about that, having been in CS for over 40 years imo they have always been pretty bad, much of their incompetence doesn’t reach the public domain so “Joe Public” are unaware.
One of the changes I believe he wanted to make was to ensure those SCS running departments, actually had experience of the work in that Department, which is no bad thing surely? Previously they moved from Department to Department, often causing havoc but moved around to further their own careers, without a backward glance.
In my Department wholesale changes were made to working practices/shift patterns about 8 years ago. They were advised they were not workable. However they knew better than those who had worked there for years. End result.... chaos for 8 years, now they are trying to find a way to return to the way it used to be.

Doesn’t explain the number of disasters since the current Government. In the end it is the Ministers who have authority. The current crop is ridiculously weak, presumably on purpose.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 21 Aug 20 8.24am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Not surprising although I would have thought the influx of tourists didn’t help.
We exempted farm workers from Covid testing and isolating, that what happens when you bow to pressure from certain sectors

I don’t think farm workers have been a problem in the UK. One outbreak in the Press. They almost never leave the farms, most don’t speak English They all quarantined for 14 days.

Edited by Mapletree (21 Aug 2020 8.27am)

 

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