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BlueJay Flag UK 20 Aug 20 2.42pm

[Link] - Coronavirus smell loss 'different from cold and flu'

Could be useful to know where this symptom occurs in a household.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Aug 2020 2.43pm)

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Aug 20 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

An interesting piece on the topic of viral load that I touched on a couple of weeks back. Some thoughts about how basic efforts to protect yourself can make a big difference [Link]

Edited by BlueJay (20 Aug 2020 2.35pm)

Yup

Getting a small load means your system has time to ramp up and sometimes it never gets going at all, or is a very mild case. Getting a big load means you get overwhelmed and the virus gets deeper into the lungs. That's why Doctors get it so badly. And why it's so dangerous when it gets passed around a family, normally you get close to people that are very ill.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Aug 20 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Shock, horror!!!

Politicians lied!!!!

I'll just head off and lie down for half an hour to recover.

It's not as though Politicians lie or that this whole episode is based upon lies, half truths and purest arse covering.

This Government hasn't got anything right at all that I can see, has changed it's mind at very short notice on lots of issues and has also lied to us.

I don't remember anything quite as dramatic in the past, where mistake upon mistake is made. Yet still 42% of people would vote for them again. Nowt so queer as folk.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Aug 20 3.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

This Government hasn't got anything right at all that I can see, has changed it's mind at very short notice on lots of issues and has also lied to us.

I don't remember anything quite as dramatic in the past, where mistake upon mistake is made. Yet still 42% of people would vote for them again. Nowt so queer as folk.

Well, I'd agree that the whole system is a joke. However, a minister is only the figurehead for a department.

However, Labour are even worst, even apart from their kneeling wokeness, they don't even base their appointments on ability.

Education has been a disaster since the seventies...and the people who run education aren't right wing.

For example, this mess sees GCSE passes rise 9 percent.....the 'everyone wins a prize' crew are on your side of the political fence.


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Aug 20 4.34pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I'd agree that the whole system is a joke. However, a minister is only the figurehead for a department.

However, Labour are even worst, even apart from their kneeling wokeness, they don't even base their appointments on ability.

Education has been a disaster since the seventies...and the people who run education aren't right wing.

For example, this mess sees GCSE passes rise 9 percent.....the 'everyone wins a prize' crew are on your side of the political fence.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Aug 2020 3.26pm)

And the 'couldn't organise excessive libation in a wallop manufacturing emporium' crew are on yours. The constant problem with the current government is that it doesn't listen very well and never achieves buy-in before its next half-baked and ill considered move.

A bunch of arrogant and inexperienced people put in way above their heads.

What did they expect? Maybe they could have engaged school by school over the past few weeks to get the teachers to be realistic instead of relying on an algorithm that could never have been fully fair. Or picked on those schools with a bad history of getting their estimated grades wrong, I am sure that data is available from the Universities

What is frustrating is that many schools were extremely thorough and cautious in their marks. But some will have been lazy, set mocks based on recent exams that were easy to guess, erred on the side of generosity or just had poor teachers with weak judgement.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Aug 20 5.23pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Birmingham could be back in lockdown shortly

[Link]

I wonder if this had anything to do with it

[Link]

 


One more point

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 20 Aug 20 5.43pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

It's all about raw data, and how it is collected. That is the crucial phase. Then comes the manipulation of data (statistics), to demonstrate what you want.

The collection of data, and acknowledgment of its limitations is of the highest magnitude. No point publishing anything (for example) if you are only doing 3 tests a day, in remote locations

It's all about collection of raw data

'Shoddy' and 'bvII5hIt" spring to mind

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Aug 20 6.03pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Let's face it. Most people who have cold/flu symptoms will not bother getting tested. In that way, none of the statistics really mean much. What this means fully for the virus, I don't know. From figures I have seen from antibody tests, the virus was more widespread than thought. Presumably less deadly also.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Aug 20 6.04pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Let's face it. Most people who have cold/flu symptoms will not bother getting tested. In that way, none of the statistics really mean much. What this means fully for the virus, I don't know. From figures I have seen from antibody tests, the virus was more widespread than thought. Presumably less deadly also.

Exactly. It just won’t happen here. But the lefties don’t get it. They think everyone is like them or in secure positions.

 


COYP

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 20 Aug 20 6.34pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And the 'couldn't organise excessive libation in a wallop manufacturing emporium' crew are on yours. The constant problem with the current government is that it doesn't listen very well and never achieves buy-in before its next half-baked and ill considered move.

A bunch of arrogant and inexperienced people put in way above their heads.

What did they expect? Maybe they could have engaged school by school over the past few weeks to get the teachers to be realistic instead of relying on an algorithm that could never have been fully fair. Or picked on those schools with a bad history of getting their estimated grades wrong, I am sure that data is available from the Universities

What is frustrating is that many schools were extremely thorough and cautious in their marks. But some will have been lazy, set mocks based on recent exams that were easy to guess, erred on the side of generosity or just had poor teachers with weak judgement.

Your banter with Stirling highlights perfectly what is wrong with politics in this country. This virus shouldn’t be a political football which gets kicked backwards and forwards in the search for political gain. It’s a national health issue. Trouble is the two sides are so entrenched with trying to smash each other to pieces they cannot find common ground when the Country really needs it.

IMO all parties would have made a hash of this individually but had they put their differences to one side and taken a joint debated approach we might have got a better result.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Aug 20 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And the 'couldn't organise excessive libation in a wallop manufacturing emporium' crew are on yours. The constant problem with the current government is that it doesn't listen very well and never achieves buy-in before its next half-baked and ill considered move.

A bunch of arrogant and inexperienced people put in way above their heads.

What did they expect? Maybe they could have engaged school by school over the past few weeks to get the teachers to be realistic instead of relying on an algorithm that could never have been fully fair. Or picked on those schools with a bad history of getting their estimated grades wrong, I am sure that data is available from the Universities

What is frustrating is that many schools were extremely thorough and cautious in their marks. But some will have been lazy, set mocks based on recent exams that were easy to guess, erred on the side of generosity or just had poor teachers with weak judgement.

Sure, I pretty much agree with all of that.

The fact that the Tories are perhaps marginally better at running departments than Labour's idealogs is faint praise from me and I have no issues with the reality that the real source of the incompetence lies within the system......which the Tories have been in charge far more years than Labour.

You are kinder concerning the schools than I am. When the average is a whopping 9 percent higher between predicted and last year's reality serious questions need to be asked.

Teachers aren't there to be generous to students, they are there to be robust and represent the system...but we know that in truth, the system doesn't reward robust teachers and it incentivizes teachers to look for anyway they can to give good grades rather than pure reality.

What this shows is what I was aware of anyway...a cultural generational malaise within the system, which focuses far too much upon empathy and not enough upon meritocracy.

It's all smiles until the day the bridge you're crossing falls down....a bit melodramatic perhaps but not unprecedented in reality.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Aug 2020 8.02pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Aug 20 8.18pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, I pretty much agree with all of that.

The fact that the Tories are perhaps marginally better at running departments than Labour's idealogs is faint praise from me and I have no issues with the reality that the real source of the incompetence lies within the system......which the Tories have been in charge far more years than Labour.

You are kinder concerning the schools than I am. When the average is a whopping 9 percent higher between predicted and last year's reality serious questions need to be asked.

Teachers aren't there to be generous to students, they are there to be robust and represent the system...but we know that in truth, the system doesn't reward robust teachers and it incentivizes teachers to look for anyway they can to give good grades rather than pure reality.

What this shows is what I was aware of anyway...a cultural generational malaise within the system, which focuses far too much upon empathy and not enough upon meritocracy.

It's all smiles until the day the bridge you're crossing falls down....a bit melodramatic perhaps but not unprecedented in reality.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Aug 2020 8.02pm)

Like I said these kids will be blank during the first lesson at uni.
Who will be the fall guy then.
The teachers or the u turn.

 

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