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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 04 Feb 17 12.05am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

Yes, exactly, what laws? I run a business that operates within the EU, across several countries. It's successful and having the Euro makes it much, much easier to plan, take on staff and manage the finances without worrying about currency fluctuations which can seriously impact a small company like ours. To be able to employ someone from Germany and have them working in another EU country next week is fantastic, no paper work, no work permits etc. That means they are living and spending money in another country next week contributing to that economy. Freedom of movement of people is THE key to a successful EU economy. Sure there will be a minority who will abuse that as in any kind of population management scenario. Those against the freedom of movement of people only focus on the very small minority who abuse the system and not the majority who make major contributions to the individual EU economies in general.

There are so many opportunities for work and making a better life across Europe. The fact that there are those who can't be bothered to take advantage of those opportunities and become jealous of those who do is symptomatic of a country like the UK. I lived there for decades and experienced so much negativity when someone made the effort to improve their lives that it was one of the key reasons I moved away.

Edited by europalace (03 Feb 2017 11.39pm)

So, you rely on the EU to maintain your business? What about other businesses that need to trade outside the EU? Should they all just f*** off and let you trade within your self-serving bubble which is the EU? A typical "remainer" attitude. "I'm doing fine. Screw the others!"

Edit: I hope you get repatriated, so you have to live in this godawful country that is ours. You might learn why the vote was to leave.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (04 Feb 2017 12.10am)

That's if you are British.......

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Feb 17 12.13am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

So, you rely on the EU to maintain your business? What about other businesses that need to trade outside the EU? Should they all just f*** off and let you trade within your self-serving bubble which is the EU? A typical "remainer" attitude. "I'm doing fine. Screw the others!"

Edit: I hope you get repatriated, so you have to live in this godawful country that is ours. You might learn why the vote was to leave.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (04 Feb 2017 12.10am)

That's if you are British.......

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (04 Feb 2017 12.12am)

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 04 Feb 17 1.03am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

Yes, exactly, what laws? I run a business that operates within the EU, across several countries. It's successful and having the Euro makes it much, much easier to plan, take on staff and manage the finances without worrying about currency fluctuations which can seriously impact a small company like ours. To be able to employ someone from Germany and have them working in another EU country next week is fantastic, no paper work, no work permits etc. That means they are living and spending money in another country next week contributing to that economy. Freedom of movement of people is THE key to a successful EU economy. Sure there will be a minority who will abuse that as in any kind of population management scenario. Those against the freedom of movement of people only focus on the very small minority who abuse the system and not the majority who make major contributions to the individual EU economies in general.

There are so many opportunities for work and making a better life across Europe. The fact that there are those who can't be bothered to take advantage of those opportunities and become jealous of those who do is symptomatic of a country like the UK. I lived there for decades and experienced so much negativity when someone made the effort to improve their lives that it was one of the key reasons I moved away.

Edited by europalace (03 Feb 2017 11.39pm)

You are totally correct. There are good things about the EU and being a business owner in Europe is one...

HOWEVER, the vote was made by people who live and work in the UK and do not have the fortune of running a Europe-wide business.

Brexit won't impact the currency fluctuation issue as the UK still has the pound. We don't know how the movement of workers will be decided post Brexit, it may be fairly straight forward in terms of paperwork.

And what about the excessive EU bureaucracy that strangles UK-based business?

Edited by Penge Eagle (04 Feb 2017 1.13am)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Feb 17 1.50am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

You are totally correct. There are good things about the EU and being a business owner in Europe is one...

HOWEVER, the vote was made by people who live and work in the UK and do not have the fortune of running a Europe-wide business.

Brexit won't impact the currency fluctuation issue as the UK still has the pound. We don't know how the movement of workers will be decided post Brexit, it may be fairly straight forward in terms of paperwork.

And what about the excessive EU bureaucracy that strangles UK-based business?

Edited by Penge Eagle (04 Feb 2017 1.13am)


Examples? I had a leave campaigner at my door moaning that there were so many rules and regulations about hedgerows.
I asked her to come up with some ideas as to why they should be regulated. With my help she came to see that there would be hedgerow anarchy, with many left untended or purposely grown too high that sort of thing.
Any other regulations I asked? She made her excuses and left.

 

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Sportyteacher Flag London 04 Feb 17 5.38am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


Examples? I had a leave campaigner at my door moaning that there were so many rules and regulations about hedgerows.
I asked her to come up with some ideas as to why they should be regulated. With my help she came to see that there would be hedgerow anarchy, with many left untended or purposely grown too high that sort of thing.
Any other regulations I asked? She made her excuses and left.

Brilliant stuff! Simple truth is that nobody, not even The Govt, knows what lies in store for The UK until Article 50 is activated and when the negotiations can truly start. Let's see how the LEAVERS are then able to get through their manifesto of promises 'given that the country has spoken':

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Meanwhile, how this woman still cracks me up for the issue that most drove her to vote for BREXIT:

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europalace Flag Europe 04 Feb 17 9.33am Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

So, you rely on the EU to maintain your business? What about other businesses that need to trade outside the EU? Should they all just f*** off and let you trade within your self-serving bubble which is the EU? A typical "remainer" attitude. "I'm doing fine. Screw the others!"

Edit: I hope you get repatriated, so you have to live in this godawful country that is ours. You might learn why the vote was to leave.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (04 Feb 2017 12.10am)

That's if you are British.......

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (04 Feb 2017 12.12am)

Repatriated? I now have a non-British passport thankfully. The EU has a market of 500 million people, so a business can easily survive and do very well within that market in nearly any industry unless it's a large global institution where it needs to perform a percentage of its business outside of the EU. We started our business in the UK and we had no EU regulations to concern us that weren't already part of UK law anyway. This idea of 'complex EU regulations' is a figment of most people's imaginations, usually from people that don't run a business and can never actually quote any examples of such 'complex EU regulations' and simply use the term because they fear the EU from knowing little about it, when in fact it can help their lives significantly if they make an effort to help themselves.

There are virtually limitless opportunities for business in the EU but people need to take advantage of the open EU borders for themselves. Too many expect the EU to come to them with opportunities, to be spoon fed. Well, that will never happen, so you make your own choices as we did. We could have stayed just in the UK market and remained just as closed minded, blaming the EU for anything going wrong in our lives but we didn't, we made an effort to take advantage of the EU market and its very easy way of setting up and operating a business. As a huge beneficial side effect, we've now learned about several different cultures and learned at least one new language.

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 04 Feb 17 9.37am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

Yes, exactly, what laws? I run a business that operates within the EU, across several countries. It's successful and having the Euro makes it much, much easier to plan, take on staff and manage the finances without worrying about currency fluctuations which can seriously impact a small company like ours. To be able to employ someone from Germany and have them working in another EU country next week is fantastic, no paper work, no work permits etc. That means they are living and spending money in another country next week contributing to that economy. Freedom of movement of people is THE key to a successful EU economy. Sure there will be a minority who will abuse that as in any kind of population management scenario. Those against the freedom of movement of people only focus on the very small minority who abuse the system and not the majority who make major contributions to the individual EU economies in general.

There are so many opportunities for work and making a better life across Europe. The fact that there are those who can't be bothered to take advantage of those opportunities and become jealous of those who do is symptomatic of a country like the UK. I lived there for decades and experienced so much negativity when someone made the effort to improve their lives that it was one of the key reasons I moved away.

Edited by europalace (03 Feb 2017 11.39pm)

You seem to be a selfish person thinking like that and are as bad as that awful woman that took the government to court over leaving. She like you are only thinking of yourselves. Your Prime minister is as bad and I hope Malta suffers a lot when we are eventually out the EU altogether. You have to learn that you are not the only ones that matter. Bets you get back to UK before Malta's bubble bursts!!!

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 04 Feb 17 9.54am

Originally posted by nickgusset


Examples? I had a leave campaigner at my door moaning that there were so many rules and regulations about hedgerows.
I asked her to come up with some ideas as to why they should be regulated. With my help she came to see that there would be hedgerow anarchy, with many left untended or purposely grown too high that sort of thing.
Any other regulations I asked? She made her excuses and left.

So it is worth being a vassal of the EU if all our hedges are the same height?! Presumably we are incapable of framing our own hedge-laws, if indeed we need such petty restrictions (blighted homes excepted).

 


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Hoof Hearted 04 Feb 17 11.02am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Brilliant stuff!

Whenever I recant stories like Gusset's I am told they don't count because they are "anecdotal".

Unless he has actual video footage of said incident I am inclined to ignore it (as I always do anyway).

Edited by Hoof Hearted (04 Feb 2017 11.04am)

 

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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 04 Feb 17 12.12pm Send a Private Message to tome Add tome as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

All you want to do is make me look like a c***.

Go ahead and do this,

The remainder is irrelevant.

Actually Matt I have zero interest in pesonal battles, I'm just genuinely interested in how we address problems like this.

If you accept that corporate corruption is a problem as well as government corruption, then I'm wondering what you think could be done about it.

For ten years, I worked in a multinational, and I think one way is to make organisations use evidence to justify how they contribute towards improving conditions - but I don't think there's the political will to make that happen. Politics and big business just seem to go arm in arm.

 


A one and a two...

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legaleagle Flag 04 Feb 17 12.35pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Whenever I recant stories like Gusset's I am told they don't count because they are "anecdotal".

Unless he has actual video footage of said incident I am inclined to ignore it (as I always do anyway).

Edited by Hoof Hearted (04 Feb 2017 11.04am)

You seem to be ignoring Nick in a manner akin to that in which an average baby ignores its mother's breasts during the first months of life,Hoof

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 04 Feb 17 1.29pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by tome

Actually Matt I have zero interest in pesonal battles, I'm just genuinely interested in how we address problems like this.

If you accept that corporate corruption is a problem as well as government corruption, then I'm wondering what you think could be done about it.

For ten years, I worked in a multinational, and I think one way is to make organisations use evidence to justify how they contribute towards improving conditions - but I don't think there's the political will to make that happen. Politics and big business just seem to go arm in arm.

Why would someone not interested in personal battles direct a post towards myself or Hoof, as you did earlier?

The lady doth protest.

 


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