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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 17 7.10pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The funniest thing about the left’s blind support of the EU is that the EU has many of the characteristics that the left normally oppose. It rigs prices to the detriment of the consumer. To keep prices high, it actually throws away food, rather than giving it to poor countries. It imposes ruinous tariffs of African farmers that effectively bar them from the European markets. It takes over African fishing grounds driving native fisherman into piracy. It pays out large sums to already rich landowners, including many members of the British nobility. It causes mass youth unemployment in those countries that cannot control their own economies due to being in the Euro. It encourages mass movements of people, and then exploits them for cheap labour driving down wages, damaging both the countries people leave and those they go to. It tries to micro-manage more and more aspects of business and social life. All this while their policies have fuelled the rise of far-right political parties. It could be expected that the left would be out demonstrating about these policies – instead they embrace them.

The lefts blind support of the EU. I know more lefties that voted leave than remain! Why imply it is all the left? Poor generalising.

You are right in what you say other than that. I made the choice to remain in the hope the UK could help force change from within. I also didn't (still don't) think that leaving Tories with carte blanche to make things for Joe Bloggs worse was something I could stomach.

Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2017 7.15pm)

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Feb 17 8.12pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Our country's well-being and peace in Europe is more important than anything you have mentioned and the EU has helped immensely in both respects.

A strong economy; We will be saying goodbye to that in a few years. Polluted rivers and beaches in the 70's everywhere; No more. Western European countries at permanent loggerheads; No more.

Of course, all this will change when we leave and later on if the EU itself implodes via financial mismanagement, far right numpties and Putin's help. So bankers , extremists and a sociopath - all together. What a lovely trio to set Europe's agenda.

The vast majority of anyone who has been fvcked over in the UK has been fvcked over by our own successive governments ineptitude and iniquitous policies not the EU.

We do still make our own policies at home. We do still have sovereignty.

The funny thing is that those of a certain 'right' persuasion refuse to accept this but prefer to blame blameless Johnny Foreigner even if the evidence to the contrary is slapping them around the head.

Edited by Kermit8 (03 Feb 2017 7.12pm)

The EU has contributed absolutely nothing towards peace in Europe.
Britain’s economy will become stronger with Britain in full control of it.
Polluted rivers and beaches! As if – of course it is in our own interests to keep our rivers and beaches clean.
While in the EU more and more laws from the EU have been implemented here, often against our interests. Of course we would lose all sovereignty as the EU moves towards its United States of Europe goal.
Meanwhile the left still sees this failing, crumbling, corrupt, artificial state as some shining paragon of ‘progress’ with all its problems and contradictions all the fault of the wicked British politicians.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Feb 17 8.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The lefts blind support of the EU. I know more lefties that voted leave than remain! Why imply it is all the left? Poor generalising.

You are right in what you say other than that. I made the choice to remain in the hope the UK could help force change from within. I also didn't (still don't) think that leaving Tories with carte blanche to make things for Joe Bloggs worse was something I could stomach.

Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2017 7.15pm)

Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2017 7.16pm)

I accept that the far left do not support EU membership. By 'left', I was really referring to the liberal/left of the last 20 or 30 years.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 17 8.19pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The EU has contributed absolutely nothing towards peace in Europe.
Britain’s economy will become stronger with Britain in full control of it.
Polluted rivers and beaches! As if – of course it is in our own interests to keep our rivers and beaches clean.
While in the EU more and more laws from the EU have been implemented here, often against our interests. Of course we would lose all sovereignty as the EU moves towards its United States of Europe goal.
Meanwhile the left still sees this failing, crumbling, corrupt, artificial state as some shining paragon of ‘progress’ with all its problems and contradictions all the fault of the wicked British politicians.


Can you name the laws that are against our interests?

Again you see the left as an analogous blob. It is not. You are going to lose credibility in my eyes if you continue this tripe.
As for the bit in bold, is that based on fact, an opinion or just plain rabble rousing?

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Feb 17 8.29pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Can you name the laws that are against our interests?

Again you see the left as an analogous blob. It is not. You are going to lose credibility in my eyes if you continue this tripe.
As for the bit in bold, is that based on fact, an opinion or just plain rabble rousing?

Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2017 8.19pm)

Oh no! I risk losing credibility with Gusset! What shall I do! The bit in bold was clearly an opinion - non of us has a crystal-ball to foretell the future. I think it highly likely though. To describe that opinion as 'rabble rousing' might cause you to lose some credibility in my eyes.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 17 9.09pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Oh no! I risk losing credibility with Gusset! What shall I do! The bit in bold was clearly an opinion - non of us has a crystal-ball to foretell the future. I think it highly likely though. To describe that opinion as 'rabble rousing' might cause you to lose some credibility in my eyes.

Perhaps the caveat 'I think that' might make it seem less like you were proclaiming it!

Can you tell other hol'ers out there what laws you were on about earlier? I bet they are dying to know.

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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Oh no! I risk losing credibility with Gusset! What shall I do! The bit in bold was clearly an opinion - non of us has a crystal-ball to foretell the future. I think it highly likely though. To describe that opinion as 'rabble rousing' might cause you to lose some credibility in my eyes.

Is that the HOL equivalent of being called a swivel eyed loon by Derek Hatton?

 

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legaleagle Flag 03 Feb 17 9.25pm

Better than being called a loon by a bonkers reactionary xenophobe from Tonbridge Wells,perhaps?

Edited by legaleagle (03 Feb 2017 9.38pm)

 

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Originally posted by legaleagle

Better than being called a loon by a bonkers reactionary xenophobe from Tonbridge Wells,perhaps?

Edited by legaleagle (03 Feb 2017 9.38pm)

?

 

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legaleagle Flag 03 Feb 17 9.57pm

generic stereotyping, old chap...thought you were in favour of that kind of thing from reading your posts

 

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Originally posted by legaleagle

generic stereotyping, old chap...thought you were in favour of that kind of thing from reading your posts

You should read your own posts old chap.

Pot and Kettle.

 

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europalace Flag Europe 03 Feb 17 11.38pm Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


Can you name the laws that are against our interests?

Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2017 8.19pm)

Yes, exactly, what laws? I run a business that operates within the EU, across several countries. It's successful and having the Euro makes it much, much easier to plan, take on staff and manage the finances without worrying about currency fluctuations which can seriously impact a small company like ours. To be able to employ someone from Germany and have them working in another EU country next week is fantastic, no paper work, no work permits etc. That means they are living and spending money in another country next week contributing to that economy. Freedom of movement of people is THE key to a successful EU economy. Sure there will be a minority who will abuse that as in any kind of population management scenario. Those against the freedom of movement of people only focus on the very small minority who abuse the system and not the majority who make major contributions to the individual EU economies in general.

There are so many opportunities for work and making a better life across Europe. The fact that there are those who can't be bothered to take advantage of those opportunities and become jealous of those who do is symptomatic of a country like the UK. I lived there for decades and experienced so much negativity when someone made the effort to improve their lives that it was one of the key reasons I moved away.

Edited by europalace (03 Feb 2017 11.39pm)

 

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